• BMW 335 battle - E90 automatic with JB4 at 16 psi takes on a Vishnu Procede E92 6 speed at 18 psi

      The BMS versus Vishnu N54 tuner fight is one of those never ending wars with battles fought again and again with victories on both sides often leaving fanboys crying and disoriented. It is great to see actual comparisons in the real world instead of the typical forum flame war and we have such a comparison right here. The E90 in the video has a JB4 on map 3 16 psi, BMS meth kit, ER charge pipe, Synapse BOV, AR catless downpipes, HPF intercooler, and BMS DCI. The E92 has the Procede aggressive map at 18 psi, PWM meth kit, AR Downpipes, Vishnu charge pipe, muffler delete, and Stett CAI.

      The E90 with the JB4 and less boost surprisingly pulls the E92 with the Procede on both runs. No word on if Shiv@Vishnu had a heart attack after seeing the result or if the Vishnu fanboys grabbed pitchforks and torches and are marching on the location of the BimmerBoost server as you read this. To be fair, the E92 6 speed had clutch slipping and meth issues. Definitely a cool comparison to see and there is no denying the automatic is more consistent. We look forward to seeing a rematch.



      This article was originally published in forum thread: JB4 vs Procede started by Forcefed View original post
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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Big Tom Click here to enlarge
        Wasn't Bimmerboost supposed to be the independent website which called for open, unbiased and honest discussions?

        Obviously not.
        What part about nobody is stopping you from posting do you not understand? Who is saying you can't post a video or discuss it?

        Please explain to me what that has to do with me rewarding non-paying vendors with advertisement on the front page? So now not only am I supposed to allow open discussion but advertise for non-supporting vendors too? Ya, that makes sense.

        It's very simple to me but obviously not for everyone.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Forcefed Click here to enlarge
        Read his last post.
        Yes, thank you. I also said this rematch video would go up regardless but that flew over his head.

        Reading Comprehension > Incorrect Statements
      1. Forcefed's Avatar
        Forcefed -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        What part about nobody is stopping you from posting do you not understand? Who is saying you can't post a video or discuss it?

        Please explain to me what that has to do with me rewarding non-paying vendors with advertisement on the front page? So now only am I supposed to allow open discussion but advertise for non-supporting vendors too? Ya, that makes sense.

        It's very simple to me but obviously not for everyone.
        Its okay, he just doesn't understand the concept of business.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Forcefed Click here to enlarge
        Its okay, he just doesn't understand the concept of business.
        Or basic reading skills apparently.
      1. Bash's Avatar
        Bash -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Or basic reading skills apparently.
        Neg rep him...lol I love those reputation points
      1. Bash's Avatar
        Bash -
        The way i see it, if it wasnt for that video/race regardless of it being fair or not, we wouldnt see 5 pages of traffic of posts. I would be sitting here at work this morning staring at old threads, that is how boring my job is. Even if those cars ran and the race was a tie it wouldnt be exciting.

        So respect to you guys being friends and all, even though one of you has the enemie's tune...lol... kidding

        There is no reason all else equal, would one tune outperform the other! Im rooting for the JB4...more reliable..Click here to enlarge
      1. Big Tom's Avatar
        Big Tom -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        What part about nobody is stopping you from posting do you not understand? Who is saying you can't post a video or discuss it?

        Please explain to me what that has to do with me rewarding non-paying vendors with advertisement on the front page? So now not only am I supposed to allow open discussion but advertise for non-supporting vendors too? Ya, that makes sense.

        It's very simple to me but obviously not for everyone.
        lol.. I'm done.

        As I understand, it's the money that makes you (Sticky) to decide which camp to fight for?
        That's actually really funny!
        Great approach man! It makes you seem really credible. Click here to enlarge
      1. BEAR-AvHistory's Avatar
        BEAR-AvHistory -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Big Tom Click here to enlarge
        lol.. I'm done.

        As I understand, it's the money that makes you (Sticky) to decide which camp to fight for?
        That's actually really funny!
        Great approach man! It makes you seem really credible. Click here to enlarge
        Seems pretty creditable & fair to me......you are getting all the space you want to use for whining about how unfair it is that you are not being given the special front page status that you think you deserve.Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Big Tom Click here to enlarge
        lol.. I'm done.

        As I understand, it's the money that makes you (Sticky) to decide which camp to fight for?
        That's actually really funny!
        Great approach man! It makes you seem really credible. Click here to enlarge
        I'm not "fighting" for anyone. It is understood in vendor agreements that part of what they pay for is front page promotion.

        Would you please explain to me why non-supporting vendors should get front page coverage at the expense of competitors who are supporting vendors?

        Who is stopping you from posting? Who is telling you not to put up a positive Vishnu video? Haven't you done so several times? So how am I "fighting" you exactly? I'm supposed to put those videos on the front page?

        Shiv said he doesn't want to support this forum (because he does not have control) so I'm not going to support him. BMS sponsors and supports this forum so they have my support and get what they pay for which includes front page promotion. Is this somehow confusing for you?

        Your opinion isn't credible because you seem to struggle with basic logical reasoning. I also stated the rematch would go up regardless of the outcome. I'm just not going to go out of my way to do positive writeups and advertising for Vishnu as my time is worth money. If you want to see Vishnu on the front page take it up with Shiv and not with me.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory Click here to enlarge
        Seems pretty creditable & fair to me......you are getting all the space you want to use for whining about how unfair it is that you are not being given the special front page status that you think you deserve.Click here to enlarge
        It seems that not only should I let Shiv post/advertise here for free which he abuses but now apparently Vishnu is supposed to get free front page promotion too.

        It's so absurd it's comical.
      1. Big Tom's Avatar
        Big Tom -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory Click here to enlarge
        Seems pretty creditable & fair to me......you are getting all the space you want to use for whining about how unfair it is that you are not being given the special front page status that you think you deserve.Click here to enlarge
        lol..
        My goal is NOT to be on the front page... I really thought everyone would understand that. Click here to enlarge

        My point is that it's depressing to see that this forum has become so biased.
        I remember in the beginning when this forum was promoted as a compliment to the biased and evil e90post and as a "free zone where all kind of discussions were welcomed".

        That is unfortunately changed today...
        Money talks.

        Cheers! Click here to enlarge
      1. Tzu's Avatar
        Tzu -
        AFAIK, you can still post whatever youd like in this section where you and I both know that it (as well as individual posts) would be edited or deleted on 90post. 1984.
      1. Itsbrokeagain's Avatar
        Itsbrokeagain -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Big Tom Click here to enlarge
        lol..
        My goal is NOT to be on the front page... I really thought everyone would understand that. Click here to enlarge

        My point is that it's depressing to see that this forum has become so biased.
        I remember in the beginning when this forum was promoted as a compliment to the biased and evil e90post and as a "free zone where all kind of discussions were welcomed".

        That is unfortunately changed today...
        Money talks.

        Cheers! Click here to enlarge
        That is how it works. Money makes the world go round. Forums cost money to run, and you get svendors to pay to advertise. Ask any other business in the world and you will get the same answer. Free discussion is still allowed here , but its the same reasoning why you dont see me putting VAC or ACM in my signature...why would I advertise for someone that is not paying me?

        Same goes for sticky. BMS is a vendor, they get entitled to front page articles as do I. But Shiv will not pay, and also abuses the system by posting and 'advertising' through his guest account. So why give someone free advertising?
      1. zeel's Avatar
        zeel -
        This forum as a whole is definitely the most NON biased in the n54 tuning scene. There are members from all camps here. I just think there is a tendency to bust Shivs balls. But cmon its not really that bad.

        I think Sticky's point that since Shiv is not a supporting vendor, he won't get the front page is pretty straight forward.
      1. dzenno@PTF's Avatar
        dzenno@PTF -
        Honestly if all that being biased means paying vendors get their $#@! posted on the front page while others don't then I'm fine with that bias...but Shiv is a bit special though Click here to enlarge other vendors cars/projects have sometimes made it to the front page without being paying vendors...case in point being that supercharged e39 m5 not too long ago...Don't think Rob Beck is a paying vendor either and I've seen articles on RBs on the front page too..sometimes all it takes is not to be a douche to make front page news lol
      1. Forcefed's Avatar
        Forcefed -
        Guess who gets a 619 ohm 1/8th watt and two 15 ohm 5 watt resistors today. Click here to enlarge
      1. Bash's Avatar
        Bash -
        Rematch, rematch, rematch
      1. Forcefed's Avatar
        Forcefed -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Bash Click here to enlarge
        Rematch, rematch, rematch
        Already planned.
      1. BEAR-AvHistory's Avatar
        BEAR-AvHistory -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Big Tom Click here to enlarge
        lol..
        My goal is NOT to be on the front page... I really thought everyone would understand that. Click here to enlarge

        My point is that it's depressing to see that this forum has become so biased.
        I remember in the beginning when this forum was promoted as a compliment to the biased and evil e90post and as a "free zone where all kind of discussions were welcomed".

        That is unfortunately changed today...
        Money talks.

        Cheers! Click here to enlarge
        You are getting all the space you want to post anything you want to support your preferred vendor, go after the owner of this forum while not being edited, deleted or banned. You can't get anymore unbiased then that.

        I believe too many guys are getting their personal identities all wrapped up in whatever they drive or hang on their ride. It can make for fun reading but its not a good place to be for the poster.
      1. Forcefed's Avatar
        Forcefed -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory Click here to enlarge
        I believe too many guys are getting their personal identities all wrapped up in whatever they drive or hang on their ride. It can make for fun reading but its not a good place to be for the poster.
        Yes, people are getting far too emotional about it. When you have a house built, would you defend the builders name if someone didn't like him? Would you defend the companies that supplied to materials? The answer is more than likely no. So why cry about a $800 tune purchase online? A house is a much larger investment than a car.