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    • BMW 335 battle - E90 automatic with JB4 at 16 psi takes on a Vishnu Procede E92 6 speed at 18 psi

      The BMS versus Vishnu N54 tuner fight is one of those never ending wars with battles fought again and again with victories on both sides often leaving fanboys crying and disoriented. It is great to see actual comparisons in the real world instead of the typical forum flame war and we have such a comparison right here. The E90 in the video has a JB4 on map 3 16 psi, BMS meth kit, ER charge pipe, Synapse BOV, AR catless downpipes, HPF intercooler, and BMS DCI. The E92 has the Procede aggressive map at 18 psi, PWM meth kit, AR Downpipes, Vishnu charge pipe, muffler delete, and Stett CAI.

      The E90 with the JB4 and less boost surprisingly pulls the E92 with the Procede on both runs. No word on if Shiv@Vishnu had a heart attack after seeing the result or if the Vishnu fanboys grabbed pitchforks and torches and are marching on the location of the BimmerBoost server as you read this. To be fair, the E92 6 speed had clutch slipping and meth issues. Definitely a cool comparison to see and there is no denying the automatic is more consistent. We look forward to seeing a rematch.



      This article was originally published in forum thread: JB4 vs Procede started by Forcefed View original post
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      1. Big Tom's Avatar
        Big Tom -
        Interesting that no one cared to comment the video where my car with less boost walked a JB4-car... Click here to enlarge

        I really thought Sticky would run to his keyboard and make an first page article about that to. Click here to enlarge
      1. Terry@BMS's Avatar
        Terry@BMS -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Big Tom Click here to enlarge
        Interesting that no one cared to comment the video where my car with less boost walked a JB4-car... Click here to enlarge

        I really thought Sticky would run to his keyboard and make an first page article about that to. Click here to enlarge
        There are plenty of videos of your car with an outdated JB3 walking a lot of other cars too. We all just accept your car is fast. Click here to enlarge On the E91 they are 175-200# heavier with more drag and I think that car has had a rough life which shows in its performance a bit. On the boost levels in that video, and the one in this post, since no logs are provided some of it must be taken on faith I guess. For example I've never seen a JB4 log from Hakan's car at 19psi, and for the procede car in this video to run 18psi with no meth flowing seems like it should be throwing a lot of ignition glow faults right off the bat. What I don't understand is what they were doing for 20 minutes before the race tuning it and not realizing it had no meth flow??
      1. Forcefed's Avatar
        Forcefed -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Big Tom Click here to enlarge
        Interesting that no one cared to comment the video where my car with less boost walked a JB4-car... Click here to enlarge

        I really thought Sticky would run to his keyboard and make an first page article about that to. Click here to enlarge
        Congratulations? Start a thread.
      1. Big Tom's Avatar
        Big Tom -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
        On the boost levels in that video, and the one in this post, since no logs are provided some of it must be taken on faith I guess. For example I've never seen a JB4 log from Hakan's car at 19psi.
        That's Håkan's own words.
        He's a friend of mine so I don't think he would lie about it.
      1. Big Tom's Avatar
        Big Tom -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Forcefed Click here to enlarge
        Congratulations? Start a thread.
        NO! I want it on the FIRST PAGE! Click here to enlarge
      1. Terry@BMS's Avatar
        Terry@BMS -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Big Tom Click here to enlarge
        That's Håkan's own words.
        He's a friend of mine so I don't think he would lie about it.
        I'm not saying he would lie about it. Why would anyone? But just because he says that doesn't mean it was actually running 19psi. Maybe a shift spike, maybe a 19psi boost target never reached, maybe 19psi for 100rpm, etc. Even Hotrod who runs a very aggressive +55 curve on the JB4 is making only 17-18psi tapering to 15psi at redline. This is the same map everyone running the JB4 15ohm with meth uses. It's quite a strong map actually. I think many turn the boost too high and slow themselves down in these high speed races.

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      1. Forcefed's Avatar
        Forcefed -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
        I'm not saying he would lie about it. Why would anyone? But just because he says that doesn't mean it was actually running 19psi. Maybe a shift spike, maybe a 19psi boost target never reached, maybe 19psi for 100rpm, etc. Even Hotrod who runs a very aggressive +55 curve on the JB4 is making only 17-18psi tapering to 15psi at redline. This is the same map everyone running the JB4 15ohm with meth uses. It's quite a strong map actually. I think many turn the boost too high and slow themselves down in these high speed races.

        http://www.bimmerboost.com/images/im...1d132426-1.jpg
        That is a log of with a 55 additive? Thats how I want my logs to look for the next run Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Eleventeen Click here to enlarge
        ...So you're saying Forcefed cut your ground wire and sprayed WD-40 on your clutch to win the race? Click here to enlarge
        And hit his shifting hand with a hammer.
      1. Terry@BMS's Avatar
        Terry@BMS -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Forcefed Click here to enlarge
        That is a log of with a 55 additive?
        Yes, I just took a log from one of Hotrod's threads.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Big Tom Click here to enlarge
        Interesting that no one cared to comment the video where my car with less boost walked a JB4-car... Click here to enlarge

        I really thought Sticky would run to his keyboard and make an first page article about that to. Click here to enlarge
        Were you not allowed to post it or something?
      1. Forcefed's Avatar
        Forcefed -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
        Yes, I just took a log from one of Hotrod's threads.
        Hopefully I can get my logs looking like that with the extra meth and a little more boost. I will send the logs over tomorrow night if the resistors come in.

        Thank you
      1. Itsbrokeagain's Avatar
        Itsbrokeagain -
        I like turtles.
      1. Terry@BMS's Avatar
        Terry@BMS -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Forcefed Click here to enlarge
        Hopefully I can get my logs looking like that with the extra meth and a little more boost. I will send the logs over tomorrow night if the resistors come in.

        Thank you
        Yes that chart is the hot ticket. I've run 122mph+ with a similar curve in a light weight 135i at a legitimate track. I shift around 6200rpm though. Not sure why Hotrod doesn't. He'd pickup some MPH.
      1. Forcefed's Avatar
        Forcefed -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
        Yes that chart is the hot ticket. I've run 122mph+ with a similar curve in a light weight 135i at a legitimate track. I shift around 6200rpm though. Not sure why Hotrod doesn't. He'd pickup some MPH.
        Good idea, I will try that out.
      1. Big Tom's Avatar
        Big Tom -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Were you not allowed to post it or something?
        ?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Big Tom Click here to enlarge
        ?
        My point is you were saying you wondered if I would react the same yet who is stopping you from sharing your results/experiences?
      1. Big Tom's Avatar
        Big Tom -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        My point is you were saying you wondered if I would react the same yet who is stopping you from sharing your results/experiences?
        What I meant was that I'm having a hard time believing that a race about a Vishnu V5 (with less boost) walking a JB4 would end up as an First Page Article.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Big Tom Click here to enlarge
        What I meant was that I'm having a hard time believing that a race about a Vishnu V5 (with less boost) walking a JB4 would end up as an First Page Article.
        I already told you it wouldn't. Why would I want or care to promote Vishnu?

        No matter what happens in the rematch it is going up though.
      1. Big Tom's Avatar
        Big Tom -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I already told you it wouldn't. Why would I want or care to promote Vishnu?
        That's what I wanted to hear from you.
        Thanks! Click here to enlarge

        Wasn't Bimmerboost supposed to be the independent website which called for open, unbiased and honest discussions?

        Obviously not.

      1. Forcefed's Avatar
        Forcefed -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Big Tom Click here to enlarge
        That's what I wanted to hear from you.
        Thanks! Click here to enlarge

        Wasn't Bimmerboost supposed to be the independent website which called for open, unbiased and honest discussions?

        Obviously not.

        Read his last post.