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      A big congratulations to BenzBoost member Dodger63. He raised the bar significantly turning a 10.6@130 all motor at Maryland International Raceway this week. This is the quickest naturally aspirated pass to date for any M156 equipped vehicle. The vehicle essentially has bolt on's with a new race gas tune and was run on drag radials with skinnies up front. There is also a bit of weight reduction provided by carbon fiber body pieces. Congratulations once again!



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      1. Blackbenzz's Avatar
        Blackbenzz -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        It means you are comparing them to platforms with turbos. The M156 is a more efficient motor with more displacement than the GTR so with some similar big ole turbos it will make more power.

        Mid engine I assumed you were referring to UGR Gallardo's and the like? They have tons of room in the engine bay to do that the cars the M156 is in don't have the same luxury which is why we are seeing superchargers instead. Plus, the M156 has only a small handful pushing it with boost at the moment.

        So, I'm trying to your statement into context.
        I'm saying with that kind of money you could have bought a UGR or Alpha 12 instead and be way faster. GTR is not mid engine anyway and UGR does many cars including vipers which are not mid engine
        Thanks for posting that. I can hear a bit of wheel spin off the line and I short shifted the 3-4! Like I said, there is a 10.5X in that car with a little more seat time to get shifts right.
      1. Dodger63's Avatar
        Dodger63 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Blackbenzz Click here to enlarge
        I'm saying with that kind of money you could have bought a UGR or Alpha 12 instead and be way faster. GTR is not mid engine anyway and UGR does many cars including vipers which are not mid engine


        Thanks for posting that. I can hear a bit of wheel spin off the line and I short shifted the 3-4! Like I said, there is a 10.5X in that car with a little more seat time to get shifts right.
        Me also its good next time
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Blackbenzz Click here to enlarge
        I'm saying with that kind of money you could have bought a UGR or Alpha 12 instead and be way faster. GTR is not mid engine anyway and UGR does many cars including vipers which are not mid engine
        And I'm saying the M156 is just getting going and additionally it is a boring world where everyone has a GTR. I could have bought a GTR too, so what?

        The GTR isn't the answer to Mercedes tuning. Respect for different approaches. I don't have to tell you I can name dozens of cars more suited to the drag strip for less money than your CLK.

        The Viper has the luxury of a huge engine bay which is my point.
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Blackbenzz Click here to enlarge
        I'm saying with that kind of money you could have bought a UGR or Alpha 12 instead and be way faster. GTR is not mid engine anyway and UGR does many cars including vipers which are not mid engine
        Weren't you the one just complaining about people always talking about money ?? GTR doesn't have a big block V8 in front hence the reason they can fit turbos...I could park a bus in a Viper engine bay LOL
      1. Blackbenzz's Avatar
        Blackbenzz -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        And I'm saying the M156 is just getting going and additionally it is a boring world where everyone has a GTR. I could have bought a GTR too, so what?

        The GTR isn't the answer to Mercedes tuning. Respect for different approaches. I don't have to tell you I can name dozens of cars more suited to the drag strip for less money than your CLK.

        The Viper has the luxury of a huge engine bay which is my point.
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        Weren't you the one just complaining about people always talking about money ?? GTR doesn't have a big block V8 in front hence the reason they can fit turbos...I could park a bus in a Viper engine bay LOL
        Are you saying it can't be done??? Give me $300k and I will show you a twin turbo CLK63 BS since its chump change for some of you all. And you better believe if I had a CLK BS with $300k invested it would be MUCH quicker than a 10.6
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Blackbenzz Click here to enlarge
        Are you saying it can't be done??? Give me $300k and I will show you a twin turbo CLK63 BS since its chump change for some of you all. And you better believe if I had a CLK BS with $300k invested it would be MUCH quicker than a 10.6
        Anything can be done...its just a matter of how much are you willing to spend. That 300k figure is a bit deceptive if you ask me though as it doesn't really paint the true picture. Jim was pretty much the first to do just about all you can do NA and then went the blower route. I'm pretty sure if the blower had been avail in 2007 Jim would have gone that route and saved a bit of money...but then again maybe not knowing Jim LOL.
      1. JRCART's Avatar
        JRCART -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        Anything can be done...its just a matter of how much are you willing to spend. That 300k figure is a bit deceptive if you ask me though as it doesn't really paint the true picture. Jim was pretty much the first to do just about all you can do NA and then went the blower route. I'm pretty sure if the blower had been avail in 2007 Jim would have gone that route and saved a bit of money...but then again maybe not knowing Jim LOL.
        I think what he's infering is that I can't affford it or something, he keeps mentioning all these "exotics" that I should be able to buy if I spent $300k on my BS. Now we have $#@!ing financial advisers on the boards??? Ahmad, I'm not sure what you're getting at but I don't have to "save up for stuff" if I see something I want I buy it...PERIOD! If I wanted a $#@!ing Veyron there would be one in my garage. I just ordered a new BS and plan on dumping $100k into it within the first 60 days of taking delivery. Lambos are $#@!ing junk, I will never own one, they are pretty but that's where it ends. I am going back and forth on a 458 and will most likely just end up buying one next summer...is that exotic enough for you????
      1. Mthis's Avatar
        Mthis -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JRCART Click here to enlarge
        I think what he's infering is that I can't affford it or something, he keeps mentioning all these "exotics" that I should be able to buy if I spent $300k on my BS. Now we have $#@!ing financial advisers on the boards??? Ahmad, I'm not sure what you're getting at but I don't have to "save up for stuff" if I see something I want I buy it...PERIOD! If I wanted a $#@!ing Veyron there would be one in my garage. I just ordered a new BS and plan on dumping $100k into it within the first 60 days of taking delivery. Lambos are $#@!ing junk, I will never own one, they are pretty but that's where it ends. I am going back and forth on a 458 and will most likely just end up buying one next summer...is that exotic enough for you????
        What color u getting the new BS?
        I'm guess u going to do nothing but Weistec stUff. That's going to be bad ass
      1. Exeenom's Avatar
        Exeenom -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by cpais Click here to enlarge
        There's no such thing as top secret in this world. You want to keep something a secret, u better make sure that YOU'RE the only one that knows anything about it. As soon as someone else knows......secrets out!!!!
        +1

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JRCART Click here to enlarge
        How do you know what's going on? I thought this was some top secret stuff that only Weistec, Earl and I know about. What have you heard?
        Trust me.... more people know than you think Click here to enlarge I only know bits and pieces from the underground channel, but you can bet the leak will NEVER come from me.
      1. lowprofile's Avatar
        lowprofile -
        Congrats once again Mike. She is a total beast!!!
        Awesome event, can't wait for more next year!
      1. Exeenom's Avatar
        Exeenom -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JRCART Click here to enlarge
        I think what he's infering is that I can't affford it or something, he keeps mentioning all these "exotics" that I should be able to buy if I spent $300k on my BS. Now we have $#@!ing financial advisers on the boards??? Ahmad, I'm not sure what you're getting at but I don't have to "save up for stuff" if I see something I want I buy it...PERIOD! If I wanted a $#@!ing Veyron there would be one in my garage. I just ordered a new BS and plan on dumping $100k into it within the first 60 days of taking delivery. Lambos are $#@!ing junk, I will never own one, they are pretty but that's where it ends. I am going back and forth on a 458 and will most likely just end up buying one next summer...is that exotic enough for you????
        The Italia is a great machine... especially with some of the upgrades. A friend of mine took his to Famoso earlier this year and ran 11.0x his first time out with a missed shift and 1000 ft DA. He was also running on the stock 20" street tires.
      1. Blackbenzz's Avatar
        Blackbenzz -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JRCART Click here to enlarge
        I think what he's infering is that I can't affford it or something, he keeps mentioning all these "exotics" that I should be able to buy if I spent $300k on my BS. Now we have $#@!ing financial advisers on the boards??? Ahmad, I'm not sure what you're getting at but I don't have to "save up for stuff" if I see something I want I buy it...PERIOD! If I wanted a $#@!ing Veyron there would be one in my garage. I just ordered a new BS and plan on dumping $100k into it within the first 60 days of taking delivery. Lambos are $#@!ing junk, I will never own one, they are pretty but that's where it ends. I am going back and forth on a 458 and will most likely just end up buying one next summer...is that exotic enough for you????
        I never said you couldn't afford it, I've seen the money you've thrown at the BS. You are just super cocky and need to be brought down to earth. You aren't as baller as you try to make people think though. I've seen posts where you said stuff like switching headers for $5k to make a few hp is not worth it. If $300k is chump change what's $5k? I understand you were handed down a business and that's great but don't be so cocky. Even if you had a billion dollars sitting in a bank it doesn't matter to me, its the way you act. And no, a 458 doesn't impress me. Why wait until next summer if you buy what you want when you want and $300k is chump change? You should hang out with some real ballers to help humble your crazy ego
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Blackbenzz Click here to enlarge
        Are you saying it can't be done??? Give me $300k and I will show you a twin turbo CLK63 BS since its chump change for some of you all. And you better believe if I had a CLK BS with $300k invested it would be MUCH quicker than a 10.6
        Not saying it can't be done as technically even a rear mount setup would work. It is far more difficult to do on something like a CLK63 BS. You may be unaware of this but Weistec first considered turbos instead of an SC. They ended up with an SC, wonder why?
      1. Blackbenzz's Avatar
        Blackbenzz -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Not saying it can't be done as technically even a rear mount setup would work. It is far more difficult to do on something like a CLK63 BS. You may be unaware of this but Weistec first considered turbos instead of an SC. They ended up with an SC, wonder why?
        Even top mount can be done. We aren't talking about a budget build here, we are saying you had $200k mod money. Weistec's target market wasn't/isn't a $50+k kit. That's UGR territory. Matter of fact if you paid UGR enough they may just take on the project. Weistec wanted something simple to install and a nice clean setup that would appeal to a larger target. Mission accomplished. If someone paid me I could have a one off setup made for it.
      1. JRCART's Avatar
        JRCART -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Blackbenzz Click here to enlarge
        Even top mount can be done. We aren't talking about a budget build here, we are saying you had $200k mod money. Weistec's target market wasn't/isn't a $50+k kit. That's UGR territory. Matter of fact if you paid UGR enough they may just take on the project. Weistec wanted something simple to install and a nice clean setup that would appeal to a larger target. Mission accomplished. If someone paid me I could have a one off setup made for it.
        ahmad, keep your eyes peeled for big news regarding M156 blowers from Weistec in Jan. I wish I could let the cat out of the bag right now but Weistec insists on further testing before going public with their latest and greatest. This new stuff will NOT be a budget, built for the masses product. I think even you will be impressed.
      1. c32AMG-DTM's Avatar
        c32AMG-DTM -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Blackbenzz Click here to enlarge
        That's UGR territory. Matter of fact if you paid UGR enough they may just take on the project.
        Since all of this banter is OT for this thread (and, kind of par for the course around here Click here to enlarge ), I'd bet blackbenzz is right. If you called UGR and said "I have a CLK63BS - you have a max $200k budget, I want a built-motor, built-tranny, twin-turbo Black Series when you're done..." I bet they'd be able to.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Blackbenzz Click here to enlarge
        Even top mount can be done. We aren't talking about a budget build here, we are saying you had $200k mod money. Weistec's target market wasn't/isn't a $50+k kit. That's UGR territory. Matter of fact if you paid UGR enough they may just take on the project. Weistec wanted something simple to install and a nice clean setup that would appeal to a larger target. Mission accomplished. If someone paid me I could have a one off setup made for it.
        So essentially a one off for a ton of cash vs. a blower kit with far more application?

        Maybe a top mount could be done but nobody has done it. With equal sized turbos the M156 will eat the GTR V6 alive. Higher redline, better heads, valvetrain, displacement advantage, etc.

        What you are saying doesn't make sense and it certainly would not be simple to do again as engine bay and tuning limitations would come into play. This platform will evolve and is slowly but surely. Cool to see people push it instead of getting a GTR and taking the easy way out. The GTR being turbo from the factory opens a much wider door.

        Let's see what happens with the M157...
      1. Blackbenzz's Avatar
        Blackbenzz -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JRCART Click here to enlarge
        ahmad, keep your eyes peeled for big news regarding M156 blowers from Weistec in Jan. I wish I could let the cat out of the bag right now but Weistec insists on further testing before going public with their latest and greatest. This new stuff will NOT be a budget, built for the masses product. I think even you will be impressed.
        Awesome can't wait to see what's next! weistec is coming out with some awesome stuff! Wonder what a 3L weistec sc would do on my car Click here to enlarge
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        So essentially a one off for a ton of cash vs. a blower kit with far more application?

        Maybe a top mount could be done but nobody has done it. With equal sized turbos the M156 will eat the GTR V6 alive. Higher redline, better heads, valvetrain, displacement advantage, etc.

        What you are saying doesn't make sense and it certainly would not be simple to do again as engine bay and tuning limitations would come into play. This platform will evolve and is slowly but surely. Cool to see people push it instead of getting a GTR and taking the easy way out. The GTR being turbo from the factory opens a much wider door.

        Let's see what happens with the M157...
        Yes a one off for a ton of cash. We are talking $200k in mods invested already so it would have cost less and been faster. I don't see your point.

        Trust me, it can be done. It has been done in a smaller C55, so why not a CLK BS? You guys are just too used to writing checks for kits and not used to thinking for yourselves. Just because there is no kit doesn't mean you can't do it. And your if this and if that statements mean nothing. I have less displacement and run less boost, less octane, on less compression than these guys and still dyno higher and run quicker times... In imaginary land a ricer hoopty shouldn't be keeping up with these high dollar rides right?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Blackbenzz Click here to enlarge
        Yes a one off for a ton of cash. We are talking $200k in mods invested already so it would have cost less and been faster. I don't see your point.
        You really don't know how much was spent.

        Secondly, there is no turbo option or one-off as an example so this is simply a day dream. Can it be done? Maybe, but the point is really putting a kit together like something UGR has for the Gallardo's or the myriad of options for the GTR is not an apples to apples comparison.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Blackbenzz Click here to enlarge
        Trust me, it can be done. It has been done in a smaller C55, so why not a CLK BS?
        Wasn't it Brabus that did that? Perhaps I am mistaken.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Blackbenzz Click here to enlarge
        I have less displacement and run less boost, less octane, on less compression than these guys and still dyno higher and run quicker times... In imaginary land a ricer hoopty shouldn't be keeping up with these high dollar rides right?
        Lower compression. Is it really less boost?

        Also, your motor and ECU are far less sophisticated. The M156 has far greater headroom, it's just getting started btw.

        I can build a Mustang 5.0 that walks on all these cars mentioned in the 1/4 mile for what would amount to pocket change in comparison. So what?
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        You really don't know how much was spent.

        Secondly, there is no turbo option or one-off as an example so this is simply a day dream. Can it be done? Maybe, but the point is really putting a kit together like something UGR has for the Gallardo's or the myriad of options for the GTR is not an apples to apples comparison.



        Wasn't it Brabus that did that? Perhaps I am mistaken.



        Lower compression. Is it really less boost?

        Also, your motor and ECU are far less sophisticated. The M156 has far greater headroom, it's just getting started btw.

        I can build a Mustang 5.0 that walks on all these cars mentioned in the 1/4 mile for what would amount to pocket change in comparison. So what?
        Exactly...and it would be just another bastardized ricer hooptie with very little real world attributes, like Ahmeds.