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    • DCT Build Part XII - Build complete, pictures of final assembly, transmission cooler, and Viton seals

      Well, this has been a rather lengthy road to completion but the transmission is basically complete. The car was dropped off by SSP last month to Gintani who should have the motor in by the end of this week. The problem is SSP mounted their trans cooler in the location the heat exchanger for the supercharger needs to go so SSP will need to come to Gintani's facility to re-run their lines as the cooler will need to go in a different location. What took so long for this update? Well, we have been waiting, and waiting, and waiting for SSP to send us details on the Viton seals that required 3 redesigns but never received the information on why these seals are superior to the stock units.

      So, I decided to do my own research and here is what I came up with. These are the stock BMW seals used in the DCT. What is wrong with them exactly? We do not know other than they apparently are not up to the task:










      Here are the Viton seals which delayed the project by 3 months. Viton is a synthetic rubber used for seals, O-rings, things of that sort. Viton was likely used as it is less susceptible to decay and already used in BMW applications such as in VANOS. Viton has much higher temperature and chemical resistance characteristics than the stock seals. Here is what they look like:










      This is the DCT cooler that was mounted by SSP up front. This needs to be moved somewhere else as the supercharger heat exchanger will need to go there. This means SSP will need to come out and run their lines again checking all their fluids and so forth before tuning can take place:














      This is the final assembly. So, the transmission is built but it took about a year longer than estimated. I believe I was as patient as possible and hopefully this will all be wrapped up in December with a built motor, built transmission, a YSI, and a ton of horsepower.





































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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SSPKris Click here to enlarge
        What does "ample" exactly mean? Exactly when did you contact me to let me know when you were having issues with the transmission?

        Kris
        Um I contacted right when I learned I was having issues only for you to write back you have no idea what the problem is and were not interested in helping fix it.

        And by ample you have had over 2 years now to get this right.

        Do you have problems with basic reading comprehension? The e-mail was not only posted but you responded to it and your response was posted as well. Wow...
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        Didn't he already post a message he sent you asking you to call Alex at Gintani saying there were problems with the transmission ?
        Exactly, mind blowing.
      1. SSPKris's Avatar
        SSPKris -
        What I was getting at Joseph is your timing. I dropped your car with Alex almost 1 1/2 years ago, and until the 8th of this month hear nothing from you. All of a sudden out of blue I get an email from you that you are having issues with the transmission. I am supposed to drop everything I have scheduled in the shop, and fly 1800 miles on a moments notice.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SSPKris Click here to enlarge
        What I was getting at Joseph is your timing. I dropped your car with Alex almost 1 1/2 years ago, and until the 8th of this month hear nothing from you. All of a sudden out of blue I get an email from you that you are having issues with the transmission. I am supposed to drop everything I have scheduled in the shop, and fly 1800 miles on a moments notice.
        Who cares about the timing? Timing means you pull things out of thin air to put me down and spin blame away from yourself?

        Who said you were supposed to drop everything? You didn't even make ANY effort to say you wanted to resolve anything you simply told me to go F myself and then came in here lobbing more insults. Now you act like this is all a surprise when I e-mailed you kindly asking for the issues to be resolve and to speak to Alex who is the one who broke in my motor and has been trying to get your trans to work. This is me being somehow out of line?

        Regarding timing, you are upset about 1 1/2 years? Funny how it didn't bother you to keep my trans over the deadline this long but now all of a sudden a timeframe with motor work you have nothing to do with affects you? Huh? Did I ever give you a hard time? Did I not give you everything you wanted? Did I make a big deal about you being over a year late with your work and not even sending the associated lines and fittings? You should be ashamed of yourself for your work let alone your behavior here.

        FIX YOUR WORK OR REPLACE MY TRANSMISSION YOU RUINED. What is so hard to understand?
      1. SSPKris's Avatar
        SSPKris -
        I might have had your transmission longer than expected, but it still took another 1 1/2 years to get the engine done. So what was the huge rush to get the transmission done? Ohh, I remember now. You told me that your engine was done and Alex had it ready to go in. I also remember it was a Friday afternoon, and you told me the car had to be back in Cali the next Monday. So what do I do, drive it personally all weekend to get it back to Gintani. Ohh and yes, I arrived at Gintani to find your engine in a hundred pieces. I ask the guys why the motor is still torn a part, well you know that answer to that question.

        Come to find out, Alex is out of the country, and you dont even have cant even make time to come down and introduce yourself. Most guys at this point would have just walked away at this point. You seem to leave out all the bits and pieces to make yourself sound so perfect.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SSPKris Click here to enlarge
        I might have had your transmission longer than expected, but it still took another 1 1/2 years to get the engine done.
        You might have had it longer? You did have it longer, over a year longer. And what did you get done in that extra year? Nothing, you even got the car like you wanted. So what did you accomplish other than wasting my time and costing me money now that I have to go buy a new trans?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SSPKris Click here to enlarge
        So what was the huge rush to get the transmission done? Ohh, I remember now. You told me that your engine was done and Alex had it ready to go in. I also remember it was a Friday afternoon, and you told me the car had to be back in Cali the next Monday. So what do I do, drive it personally all weekend to get it back to Gintani.
        Well genius you seem to be confusing a couple different things here. The motor WAS done when I told you and I was trying to make an event. Oh, big shocker eh even with your accusations of it taking up until now because I "supposedly" didn't pay eh?

        What you don't know is that the motor underwent a second build due to the sleeve design being redone. The compression ratio was also bumped up during this time so new pistons as well. And guess what? It wasn't just my motor, but 3 motors that all got redone. That took a little bit of time as new blocks were sourced. Didn't know that eh?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SSPKris Click here to enlarge
        Come to find out, Alex is out of the country, and you dont even have cant even make time to come down and introduce yourself. Most guys at this point would have just walked away at this point.
        Introduce myself? You missed so many dates I didn't know when you were going to come by. You showed up much later than expected and I missed another event which I guess was a blessing in disguise since the motor would have failed anyway.

        So people would have walked away because I didn't drive down to shake your hand and thank you for taking a year longer than you told me you would? Wow, I should have grabbed roses, given you a hug, and patted you on the back too I guess. Not sure what my presence was even necessary for.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SSPKris Click here to enlarge
        You seem to leave out all the bits and pieces to make yourself sound so perfect.
        What bits and pieces have been left out exactly? It would seem you are quite poorly informed. And secondly, I'm still trying to understand what Gintani taking longer to get the engine right WHICH THEY DID and you taking longer to get the transmission right WHICH YOU DID NOT have to do with each other?

        At least Gintani got their work done. What can we say about you?
      1. SSPKris's Avatar
        SSPKris -
        What you forget to tell everyone is that your transmission was wrecked before you even sent it to me. At the time you would have to buy a new either way. What you else you dont tell everyone is that you had the first of the first parts. If for some reason the transmission is not working correctly, which you state. How many shops get R&d'd parts correct the first time around??? For all you know there might have been couple revisions of the parts since you got your transmission basket built. Did you ever think of that?

        I cannot figure out why you keep saying you have to buy a new transmission?? We only worked on your clutch basket. We never touched the rest of the transmission. We only dissasembled a few parts to get pictures, which you requested at the time. If for whatever reason the clutch plates are not working, all that would have to be done is install a new clutch basket from BMW. You love to blow everything out of proportion, rant and rave, and go on page after page.
      1. partlowr's Avatar
        partlowr -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SSPKris Click here to enlarge
        I might have had your transmission longer than expected, but it still took another 1 1/2 years to get the engine done. So what was the huge rush to get the transmission done? Ohh, I remember now. You told me that your engine was done and Alex had it ready to go in. I also remember it was a Friday afternoon, and you told me the car had to be back in Cali the next Monday. So what do I do, drive it personally all weekend to get it back to Gintani. Ohh and yes, I arrived at Gintani to find your engine in a hundred pieces. I ask the guys why the motor is still torn a part, well you know that answer to that question.

        Come to find out, Alex is out of the country, and you dont even have cant even make time to come down and introduce yourself. Most guys at this point would have just walked away at this point. You seem to leave out all the bits and pieces to make yourself sound so perfect.
        Sounds about right lol. ]
      1. SSPKris's Avatar
        SSPKris -
        Joseph, do you think your audience really believes that it takes 3+ years for an experienced shop to build a motor?? I dont think so... I bet it takes Alex no longer than 3-4 months to do a complete build with a custom supercharger...

        But I bet your going to tell me the answer for 2 pages or so......
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SSPKris Click here to enlarge
        What you forget to tell everyone is that your transmission was wrecked before you even sent it to me. At the time you would have to buy a new either way.
        The transmission wasn't wrecked the discs were slipping. An OEM clutch basket would fix this. And how has nobody been told when pictures of the discs and the reasoning behind the build was posted on the very first page? Who is acting like the trans was perfect? I used the discs. It at least functioned though.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SSPKris Click here to enlarge
        What you else you dont tell everyone is that you had the first of the first parts. If for some reason the transmission is not working correctly, which you state. How many shops get R&d'd parts correct the first time around??? For all you know there might have been couple revisions of the parts since you got your transmission basket built. Did you ever think of that?
        Yep and this has what to do with your work simply not functioning? This is now what number M3 having to ditch your parts?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SSPKris Click here to enlarge
        I cannot figure out why you keep saying you have to buy a new transmission??
        Because yours doesn't work. What do you mean why?

        Didn't someone else end up having to buy a new trans as well?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SSPKris Click here to enlarge
        We only worked on your clutch basket. We never touched the rest of the transmission. We only dissasembled a few parts to get pictures, which you requested at the time. If for whatever reason the clutch plates are not working, all that would have to be done is install a new clutch basket from BMW. You love to blow everything out of proportion, rant and rave, and go on page after page.
        Oh I'm sorry I'm upset that you wasted a couple years and now I have to pay out of pocket for it, silly me. Oh no big deal spend a few grand here or there what's the big deal? So you delivered the trans back and it doesn't function when I'm excited to fire up my car after waiting years and I should be grateful you missed your target date by over a year and that the product doesn't work. I really should be sending you a thank you card huh?

        And you say I'm ranting and raving by asking you to fix your work? And you attempt to put me down and spin it?

        As far as what you touched you also did the seals and the pan didn't you? Well the pan doesn't fit correctly either and it leaks. So I'm going to have pay for that as well if I use this trans.

        What is the problem here? Fix your work or send me an OEM clutch basket.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SSPKris Click here to enlarge
        Joseph, do you think your audience really believes that it takes 3+ years for an experienced shop to build a motor?? I dont think so... I bet it takes Alex no longer than 3-4 months to do a complete build with a custom supercharger...

        But I bet your going to tell me the answer for 2 pages or so......
        I think the audience believes you are attempting to shift focus to an engine build rather than your transmission work which happens to be the subject of the thread isn't it? Smooth, really smooth. That's going over well.

        You think it takes 3-4 months to build an S65 V8 with a supercharger like a YSI for big boost? Oh, please do it. You obviously know this platform oh so well.

        Once again, what does any of the motor work have anything to do with the trans work? The motor is perfect, the fuel system is perfect, the meth injection is perfect, the exhaust is perfect, the custom headers are perfect, everything except what you touched is perfect.

        I bet you're going to avoid the topic yet again and keep dancing around the issue right?
      1. SSPKris's Avatar
        SSPKris -
        I actually still have your factory OEM pan.
      1. SSPKris's Avatar
        SSPKris -
        Well I hope everything is perfect after 3+ years.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SSPKris Click here to enlarge
        I actually still have your factory OEM pan.
        Then give it back to me because yours doesn't fit. How you messed even this up I have no clue.
      1. SSPKris's Avatar
        SSPKris -
        If I woud have had 3+ years to develop a trans, I supposed it would be perect as well.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SSPKris Click here to enlarge
        Well I hope everything is perfect after 3+ years.
        Yes, everything is perfect except what you touched unfortunately. I would hope you would have some honor and integrity but hey, can't expect you to be perfect right?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SSPKris Click here to enlarge
        If I woud have had 3+ years to develop a trans, I supposed it would be perect as well.
        Oh so even more time was necessary?

        Why don't you fill us in on what more time would have done for you.
      1. SSPKris's Avatar
        SSPKris -
        Is it so hard for you to carry on a normal conversation with someone, and not make a smart ass comment about everything?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SSPKris Click here to enlarge
        Is it so hard for you to carry on a normal conversation with someone, and not make a smart ass comment about everything?
        Not at all unfortunately I'm just not having a discussion with someone worthy of any respect.

        I'm not interested in sitting here and typing all day about this. My issue will be resolved one way or another. The question becomes what you decide to do from this point forward. Precarious position Kirs, the tone change now pages later after people saw your true colors isn't going to save you it's going to need to be actions. So, I STRONGLY suggest you get to work on fixing this.
      1. SSPKris's Avatar
        SSPKris -
        "Your not interested in typing all day".. well that is strange. If you go back and look at some of your previous posts, it looks like you have been typing away until around 430 am....

        Most people are well in bed by that time....