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    • First performance numbers for the F10 M5 are in - 0-60 in 3.7 and the 1/4 mile in 12.0@122, compares well with new 63 AMG's

      Car and Driver has brought us the meat of what we want to see regarding the new F10 M5, the performance numbers. They tested it at 12.0@122 which is not bad. With proper rubber and conditions this is an easy 11 second car stock. This is roughly a 7 mph trap speed gain on the previous generation E60 M5 which had roughly a 7 mph trap speed gain on the E39 M5 it replaced. We had hoped the car would be closer to the ~125 range though especially with the DCT.

      The car compares favorably with the new M157 twin turbo V8 based 63 AMG cars from Mercedes. Motortrend tested a performance package version of the CLS63 AMG at 12.1@121. The E63 AMG however is lighter than the CLS (which the new M5 weighs almost the same as) and also has the performance package available so it is likely that it will be close between the E63 AMG and the F10 M5 stock with the edge likely going in the E63's favor with the performance package.

      It will be interesting to see which one will be faster with a tune as the performance package does not leave much to improve on. In this respect, the M5 should have the edge when power is added also considering its faster transmission. Either way, we have a heck of an epic battle brewing that will go back and forth for some time to come.

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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno Click here to enlarge
        how can 5-60 take MORE time than 0-60?? that's weird
        No it isn't, low speed roll at low RPM vs. a launch from 0 with high RPM. 5-60 is always slower, especially on turbo cars.
      1. m54b25's Avatar
        m54b25 -
        The F10 M5 S63B44tu Biturbo vs. E63 M157PP biturbo battle would be interesting. The new 2012 CLS63 Mercs suspension seems to be a HUGE improvement & it handles just as good as some BMW I've driven. Also, the M157 with a tune (I.e. RENNtech, or Performance Package) it's insane like a rocket at the track & road course. IMHO, the F10 M5 comes already with 10:1cr compression & 1.5 bar so any increase in overboost will be interesting with a tune as well (only time will tell =)
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by m54b25 Click here to enlarge
        The F10 M5 S63B44tu Biturbo vs. E63 M157PP biturbo battle would be interesting. The new 2012 CLS63 Mercs suspension seems to be a HUGE improvement & it handles just as good as some BMW I've driven. Also, the M157 with a tune (I.e. RENNtech, or Performance Package) it's insane like a rocket at the track & road course. IMHO, the F10 M5 comes already with 10:1cr compression & 1.5 bar so any increase in overboost will be interesting with a tune as well (only time will tell =)
        You raise a really good point, not like the M5 isn't running a ton of boost and higher compression.
      1. Itsbrokeagain's Avatar
        Itsbrokeagain -
        The M157 should be a formidable opponent. I witnessed Jeremy@OE Tuning wring out 508whp with just some minor reflashing on a CLS....what a freakin monster.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        All these turbo motors are monsters. The m5 advantage lies on its top mount turbos and manifold along with transmission. The m157 has the displacement advatage. Both seem to be close to maxing the stock turbos which are for response it seems instead of max power.
      1. inlineS54B32's Avatar
        inlineS54B32 -
        Interesting answers from Albert Biermann - the current head of BMW M - to questions asked in this months Road & Track:Q - "Is turbocharging the future of M?"A - "At least for the point where we are today. Already the M5 will be the 4th turbocharged M model. We are convinced that this is the way to go, to bring the best results for the customer."Q - "What would you rather drive around the Nurburgring: an M3 or an M5?"A - "The M3 GTS! It is much better to drive. It is very close to a race car. The new M5 is very close to the regular M3, but we aren't ready to tell you which is quicker."Q - "Why not 600 horsepower for the M5?"A - Enough is enough. Compared to the V-10, our new engine's peak torque begins just above 1500 rpm and holds it to 6000 rpm, so unlike other turbo cars our new M5 surges forward all the way to it's 7250 rpm redline."I personally thought that the 2nd question/answer was the most remarkable. It's almost marketing AGAINST the M5 in my opinion. It's almost unbelievable that he said this - but is nice to hear an honest answer to a question.Pretty cool car nonetheless. I am sure we all know what's quicker - the M5... I find it pretty interesting that he finds the M3 (GTS) to be a better car for the Nurburgring and/or that the new M5 is "very close to a regular M3". Cheers.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
        Interesting answers from Albert Biermann - the current head of BMW M - to questions asked in this months Road & Track:Q - "Is turbocharging the future of M?"A - "At least for the point where we are today. Already the M5 will be the 4th turbocharged M model. We are convinced that this is the way to go, to bring the best results for the customer."Q - "What would you rather drive around the Nurburgring: an M3 or an M5?"A - "The M3 GTS! It is much better to drive. It is very close to a race car. The new M5 is very close to the regular M3, but we aren't ready to tell you which is quicker."Q - "Why not 600 horsepower for the M5?"A - Enough is enough. Compared to the V-10, our new engine's peak torque begins just above 1500 rpm and holds it to 6000 rpm, so unlike other turbo cars our new M5 surges forward all the way to it's 7250 rpm redline."I personally thought that the 2nd question/answer was the most remarkable. It's almost marketing AGAINST the M5 in my opinion. It's almost unbelievable that he said this - but is nice to hear an honest answer to a question.Pretty cool car nonetheless. I am sure we all know what's quicker - the M5... I find it pretty interesting that he finds the M3 (GTS) to be a better car for the Nurburgring and/or that the new M5 is "very close to a regular M3". Cheers.
        BMW kind of is making some statements against their new motors. I'll have an article up that discusses this in more details later in the week.
      1. GTR-Dad's Avatar
        GTR-Dad -
        Does anyone have compressor maps for the F10 M5? This (along with an answer to the question below) will tell how much more they'll flow without falling off the efficiency island.I read somewhere that peak boost is 1.8 bar. This must be at low rpm's - otherwise peak power would be insane. Does anyone have a boost vs rpm profile at WOT?
      1. m54b25's Avatar
        m54b25 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Matt@Camber-Toe Click here to enlarge
        The M157 should be a formidable opponent. I witnessed [email]Jeremy@OE Tuning wring out 508whp with just some minor reflashing on a CLS....what a freakin monster.
        As far as I know, the no replacement for displacement rule still applies...

        M157 5.5l 10:1cr @ 1.3bar~18.85psi PP 571ps/900Nm
        M157 5.5l 10:1cr @ 1.0bar~14.5psi Standard 544ps/800Nm
        S63B44tu 4.4l 10:1cr @ 1.5bar~21.75psi 565hp/680Nm
      1. lughed's Avatar
        lughed -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
        You can turn it off
        Man i would just cut the wire to that sh@t. Wouldnt even want it available.
      1. lughed's Avatar
        lughed -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by m54b25 Click here to enlarge
        As far as I know, the no replacement for displacement rule still applies...

        M157 5.5l 10:1cr @ 1.3bar~18.85psi PP 571ps/900Nm
        M157 5.5l 10:1cr @ 1.0bar~14.5psi Standard 544ps/800Nm
        S63B44tu 4.4l 10:1cr @ 1.5bar~21.75psi 565hp/680Nm
        It always applies when all other things are equal.
      1. maxnix's Avatar
        maxnix -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DBFIU Click here to enlarge
        Tune and meth and 11.0.
        If methanol is the answer, why is it that not one OEM engineer hears the question? Hmmmm.......Click here to enlarge
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        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by maxnix Click here to enlarge
        If methanol is the answer, why is it that not one OEM engineer hears the question? Hmmmm.......Click here to enlarge
        Probably for the same reason they don't use nitrous.