• Apex Speed Technology offering S54 (E46 M3 motor) Pectel stand alone engine swap kits

      Been dreaming about an S54 high revving 6 cylinder in your E30? What about E21? What about E9? What about even a Honda Accord? Hey, almost any chassis is possible with these Pectel SQ6 stand alone ECU's and the S54. It will mostly be race cars interested in this but enthusiasts as well considering that the Pectel can control ever stock feature including the throttles, VANOS, knock control and variable speed fan control, all while using all the stock sensors.

      Basic systems start at $6k. Not exactly cheap but this is also one of the highest quality proven engine control options for the S54 available. GSR Motorsports uses a Pectel SQ6 in their E85-powered 600+ horsepower turbo Z4. For further details check out Apex Speed Technology's site here: http://www.apexspeedtech.com/apex-sp...tandalone-kits or message Neel@Apex on the forum.





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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dreikraft Click here to enlarge
        can't disclose just yet. but its less about providing a product as it is providing information because the info on s54 swap on e30s is hard to come by and he wants to make it more readily available. his focus is mainly engine management; alot of the hardware will be e36 based. ill make a thread when the time is right, but for now i'm interested to see if apex can provide an affordable ECU/harness package as that is key when it comes to e30s.
        I gotcha. When the time is right please pm me as I would like to get the jump on announcing that.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Matt@Camber-Toe Click here to enlarge
        Damn you Neel for making me want to put an S54 into my E28 Click here to enlarge
        Now that would be awesome!!
      1. Apex Speed Technology's Avatar
        Apex Speed Technology -
        neel - i've got someone who i'm providing a s54 to who's planning on fabbing an inexpensive e30 conversion kit (mounts/headers/etc). both he and i would be interested to hear what total cost on ECU/harness would be for that conversion.
        Give us a call and we'll go over specific options. I know people like to have hard prices, but since we build every system to suit, there are just so many routes to take. Some people want to interface with an AIM dash. Some want MOTEC. Some want to interface with the stock dash. Some want an expansion connector for traction control. Some want to add chassis sensors. Some want a 2 piece harness with a firewall disconnect. Some guys just want a connector so they can build their own harness.

        Every job we do is billed time and materials. This is why I like to talk to people before they order so we make sure they get exactly what they want.

        Thanks,

        Neel
      1. Apex Speed Technology's Avatar
        Apex Speed Technology -
        Calibrate tach outputs?
        Output duty cycle & number of pulses per revolution can be different for different tachs. There are a bunch of details like that seem easy enough, but have taken us time to work out.

        I find it interesting that people who haven't done many swap kits comment on how easy it is. We've run into so many - you wouldn't believe how silly it is to get a Porsche 968 ECU to turn OFF. We had to build a relay circuit for our plug & play to properly power down the ECU & fuel circuit. Certain things can backfeed too so you have to be careful to manage output states during power-down. Other examples - anyone can slap an extra sensor on a motor to run a stock water temp gauge, but how about using one factory sensor for both the ECU and the cluster? Sounds easy, just splice right? But some gauges have internal pullup resistors. Some use a pullup in the stock ECU. Every swap kit I can remember had some little surprise waiting. There was a whole mess involving solid state relays and diode protection just to get the alternator to work properly on our Dodge 6.1L Hemi swap kit. How about BMW S65 & S85's - they don't have dipsticks. It wasn't trivial to figure out how to get the stock oil level sensor to work. Want to use the stock gear position sensor on a Suzuki Hayabusa or GSXR1000 engine? Go ahead, plug it into an analog input and have fun figuring it out. We did, it ends up being 1 leg of a voltage divider. The list goes on....

        -Neel
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Apex Speed Technology Click here to enlarge
        Output duty cycle & number of pulses per revolution can be different for different tachs. There are a bunch of details like that seem easy enough, but have taken us time to work out.

        I find it interesting that people who haven't done many swap kits comment on how easy it is. We've run into so many - you wouldn't believe how silly it is to get a Porsche 968 ECU to turn OFF. We had to build a relay circuit for our plug & play to properly power down the ECU & fuel circuit. Certain things can backfeed too so you have to be careful to manage output states during power-down. Other examples - anyone can slap an extra sensor on a motor to run a stock water temp gauge, but how about using one factory sensor for both the ECU and the cluster? Sounds easy, just splice right? But some gauges have internal pullup resistors. Some use a pullup in the stock ECU. Every swap kit I can remember had some little surprise waiting. There was a whole mess involving solid state relays and diode protection just to get the alternator to work properly on our Dodge 6.1L Hemi swap kit. How about BMW S65 & S85's - they don't have dipsticks. It wasn't trivial to figure out how to get the stock oil level sensor to work. Want to use the stock gear position sensor on a Suzuki Hayabusa or GSXR1000 engine? Go ahead, plug it into an analog input and have fun figuring it out. We did, it ends up being 1 leg of a voltage divider. The list goes on....

        -Neel
        You might save time by just telling him he is a genius and that you stand in awe of his knowledge. That way we can move on to discussing more details of what you offer customers. Click here to enlarge
      1. 5mall5nail5's Avatar
        5mall5nail5 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Apex Speed Technology Click here to enlarge
        Output duty cycle & number of pulses per revolution can be different for different tachs. There are a bunch of details like that seem easy enough, but have taken us time to work out.

        I find it interesting that people who haven't done many swap kits comment on how easy it is. We've run into so many - you wouldn't believe how silly it is to get a Porsche 968 ECU to turn OFF. We had to build a relay circuit for our plug & play to properly power down the ECU & fuel circuit. Certain things can backfeed too so you have to be careful to manage output states during power-down. Other examples - anyone can slap an extra sensor on a motor to run a stock water temp gauge, but how about using one factory sensor for both the ECU and the cluster? Sounds easy, just splice right? But some gauges have internal pullup resistors. Some use a pullup in the stock ECU. Every swap kit I can remember had some little surprise waiting. There was a whole mess involving solid state relays and diode protection just to get the alternator to work properly on our Dodge 6.1L Hemi swap kit. How about BMW S65 & S85's - they don't have dipsticks. It wasn't trivial to figure out how to get the stock oil level sensor to work. Want to use the stock gear position sensor on a Suzuki Hayabusa or GSXR1000 engine? Go ahead, plug it into an analog input and have fun figuring it out. We did, it ends up being 1 leg of a voltage divider. The list goes on....

        -Neel
        Neel - of course a standalone can vary pulses out the tachometer output... isn't that trivial? Why is this offered as some sort of burden? Being that standalones aim at being universal, its a requirement that they be able to handle tachometer outputs. 99.9999999% of vehicles just care about how many pulses are output per rotation - IE, BMW 6 cylinders are "3 pulses per revolution". How else would you run a 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10, 12, 16 cyl engine if you couldn't output different pulses to the tachometer?

        Again with the temperature sensor - if its a bosch, marelli, delphi part you can get the resistance scale. Then all you do is measure the pin to the ECU or cluster for voltage with the sensor unplugged. 99.9999% of factory ECUs will have an internal pull-up resistor with a 1K ohm resistor, therefore with no load on the sensor you will read 5V @ the pin. Same goes with a cluster. This is basic electronics work though.

        Further - your topic of getting ECUs to stop, very common especially on older vehicles that do not have diode relays. Without having a master relay with diode protection you can experience what is commonly referred to as "run on". In fact, when the diodes would bust in some factory installations, you would have the car not turn off on FACTORY cars. Wild yeah? I've worked on a number of cars with this issue - its usually best to look at how their main relay is controlled - its usually caused by the ECU being turned on with a wire from the ignition switch, the ECU controlling the "main relay", and since the main relay is back feeding, even when the ignition switch power goes away, +12v still exists from the relay that the ECU is controlling, and the damned thing won't turn off. Just takes rewiring of the relay.

        Look - I guess this is all a "feature" to a customer, but honestly this is just typical "day in the life" of installing ECUs. Sometimes things will need to be wired to allow the ECU to have power after the key has been removed so that it can restore stepper motor positions or DISA valves, etc. etc etc. Its all part of the game.

        Oh also the 1300 in a Mini is a common swap - the gear position sensor diagrams are very popular. Guys put them in everything from VW's to original Minis - common question is "how do I wire the gear position indicator????". Its actually documented in a manual of mine 1st gear is 560 ohms, 2nd 827, 3rd 1585, 4th 2733, 5th 6800, and 6th 15000. Take that vs supply and you get your voltage outputs.
      1. 5mall5nail5's Avatar
        5mall5nail5 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        You might save time by just telling him he is a genius and that you stand in awe of his knowledge. That way we can move on to discussing more details of what you offer customers. Click here to enlarge
        Problem is Sticky you don't know any of this so maybe you're blown away. To the rest of the people who do this (as hobby even!) this is like "Yeah, ok, and?"

        I am not saying Neels company doesn't provide a service, but one thing that is important and worth mentioning is that the people who can't do this stuff or won't do it and or don't understand it WILL have issues. That's the case where Neel's company is going to be a necessity. Not because they offer anything totally exclusive to the science of putting a computer in a car, but because the people who paid to have it done will eventually have an issue and won't have any idea wtf to do or where to start. I cannot tell you how many times I have put a standalone into a car reluctantly, knowing that the owner is just going to get in and beat the $#@! out of it and in 10,000 miles when the spark plugs need to be regapped will be calling me "Uh yeah so I dunno what you did but now it misfires..." Really? After 10,000 miles it now misfires? What have you checked? "Nothing yet but I think theres an ECU problem...." Replace the spark plugs - "Omg fixed thanks so much omgomgomgomg" When a real issue occurs it can be a nightmare for the end users wallet and the shops patience and stress levels.
      1. 5mall5nail5's Avatar
        5mall5nail5 -
        Neel - also, I am not bashing you, I am just saying that your audience on your blog might be more diverse than guys who just want swaps done. Technical stuff is good Click here to enlarge

        Also - noticed you got a webshop up, nice. Any info on the MoTeC crimper? Do the MoTeC shells used come from Amp/Tyco? I am trying to find a crimper for a pin and so far have not had much luck. Can you provide details on that crimper?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 5mall5nail5 Click here to enlarge
        Problem is Sticky you don't know any of this so maybe you're blown away. To the rest of the people who do this (as hobby even!) this is like "Yeah, ok, and?"
        And? That somehow changes what Apex is offering or selling? This may shock you but probably 99% of people here don't do their own ECU work. If I was doing this swap, I would go to Apex and trust that they take care of everything.

        Maybe you aren't wowed but that doesn't change the rest of us would like to learn and see what they have to say.
      1. 5mall5nail5's Avatar
        5mall5nail5 -
        I like to see what they do too but so far they only talk about it. Post up some pics or details. Lets see these harnesses and how they're executed and such. I know they're busy but if I had a shop I'd be posting so much crap people would beg me to stop.
      1. BattaM3's Avatar
        BattaM3 -
        Seems there customers don't want there info out there. If that's the case I can uderstand.
      1. PEI330Ci's Avatar
        PEI330Ci -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 5mall5nail5 Click here to enlarge
        I like to see what they do too but so far they only talk about it. Post up some pics or details. Lets see these harnesses and how they're executed and such. I know they're busy but if I had a shop I'd be posting so much crap people would beg me to stop.
        Jon,

        I know of a tuning business that Neel is a competitor of, and they don't post ANYTHING up on the internet. Neel is a very rare individual in this business.

        I suggest you go to a Grand Am race, and tour the pits to see how many "tuners", and there are a TON of them, openly discuss what they do over the internet.

        Heck, Motec USA runs 2 offices, one on each coast, and people rarely see the harness work they do.

        You make a strange request...
      1. Apex Speed Technology's Avatar
        Apex Speed Technology -
        Can you provide details on that crimper?
        Its a universal open-barrel crimper, and can be made to work with most open-barrel crimps from 18-24 gauge wire. Its a good tool to have when you don't have the specific crimp jaws for a certain connector.

        -Neel
      1. Apex Speed Technology's Avatar
        Apex Speed Technology -
        I am just saying that your audience on your blog might be more diverse than guys who just want swaps done. Technical stuff is good Click here to enlarge
        Okay, I officially don't get you. You did this with the last thread to. When did I say anything about audience diversity? Or are you actually commenting on the diversity of posts on my 1-week old 2 post old blog? I am completely, utterly lost.

        You'd think I'd be used to this - I'm married. To a nice girl from Kansas City. Who's made it 4 decades without being wrong. You know how I know?

        She told me.

        So anyone want to talk about swap projects?

        -Neel
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 5mall5nail5 Click here to enlarge
        I like to see what they do too but so far they only talk about it. Post up some pics or details. Lets see these harnesses and how they're executed and such. I know they're busy but if I had a shop I'd be posting so much crap people would beg me to stop.
        He has posted a bunch of stuff but then you have some people "overseas" who don't want info shared. So, only so much they can show.
      1. Apex Speed Technology's Avatar
        Apex Speed Technology -
        I like to see what they do too but so far they only talk about it. Post up some pics or details.
        That's exactly why we've started our new blog!

        I know there aren't a lot of in depth pictures and info on our facebook and old blog, but check these out. Please feel free to ask specific details on projects and if I can share I will! I will look for pictures too.

        http://www.facebook.com/apexspeedtech

        http://www.apexspeedtech.com/cblog/

        There are stories about some of our projects:

        http://www.streetrodderweb.com/features/1006sr_1933_ford_roadster/index.html

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      1. 5mall5nail5's Avatar
        5mall5nail5 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by PEI330Ci Click here to enlarge
        Jon,

        I know of a tuning business that Neel is a competitor of, and they don't post ANYTHING up on the internet. Neel is a very rare individual in this business.

        I suggest you go to a Grand Am race, and tour the pits to see how many "tuners", and there are a TON of them, openly discuss what they do over the internet.

        Heck, Motec USA runs 2 offices, one on each coast, and people rarely see the harness work they do.

        You make a strange request...
        Not really - see, Neel went 2/5's of the way there. I want to see those last 3 fifths.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Apex Speed Technology Click here to enlarge
        Its a universal open-barrel crimper, and can be made to work with most open-barrel crimps from 18-24 gauge wire. Its a good tool to have when you don't have the specific crimp jaws for a certain connector.

        -Neel
        Have you ever crimped Tyco/Amp PN 3-1447221-3 or -4 with it?
      1. dreikraft's Avatar
        dreikraft -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Apex Speed Technology Click here to enlarge
        Okay, I officially don't get you. You did this with the last thread to. When did I say anything about audience diversity? Or are you actually commenting on the diversity of posts on my 1-week old 2 post old blog? I am completely, utterly lost.

        You'd think I'd be used to this - I'm married. To a nice girl from Kansas City. Who's made it 4 decades without being wrong. You know how I know?

        She told me.

        So anyone want to talk about swap projects?

        -Neel
        lulz...

        i do,
        i'll put a call in tomorrow to talk about the e30 s54 ecu/harness config we're looking for.
      1. Apex Speed Technology's Avatar
        Apex Speed Technology -
        Have you ever crimped Tyco/Amp PN 3-1447221-3 or -4 with it?
        That's the Superseals, right? Yeah, I've done these with the Universal tool. You gotta keep in mind its kind of the Swiss Army Knife of crimpers. They're a Tyco/AMP part somewhere that's perfect for it - but this one is good enough to give a solid crimp on both the wire and seal. I'm sure I've used it in the field on those connectors, but in the shop we use the proper dies in a Sargent frame. Its a pretty common die available from Digi-Key, Mouser, Newark, etc....

        -Neel
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        5mall5nail5 -
        We have over 500 Tyco/Amp dedicated tools/dies at work... but not the one required for these. These are the same pins MoTeC uses in its 34 position connectors. Yep - superseals. The dies I have found from Tyco are $1500!