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    • Automobile Magazine does a video comparison of the 1M and M3 - Pokes fun at the M3 and Dual Clutch Transmissions

      This is designed to be a lighthearted video although as with much satire there is some truth to it. To be honest, the video is mildly amusing and we don't care all too much for the reviewer. Calling the DCT an automatic? Well, it isn't an automatic and some people prefer winning races and maximum performance to babbling about clutch peddles. Saying the 1M is what the M3 should be, is, well, insane. The M3 should be a parts bin M car sharing a motor with 135's? No thanks. Take the video with a grain of salt and as an attempt at humor.




      This article was originally published in forum thread: Video Banned from M3Post... Automobile 1M vs M3 started by FR305 View original post
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      1. Scourge82's Avatar
        Scourge82 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 654 Click here to enlarge
        Have a look at TopGear 1M review. The car is sensational. The best M car ever.
        Don't tell Sticky that, lol

        It's a great BMW car, but I don't think it's the best M car.
      1. leo985i's Avatar
        leo985i -
        Everyone has their own opinion about cars, for some it may be the best ///M ever, for others clearly not.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by leo985i Click here to enlarge
        Everyone has their own opinion about cars, for some it may be the best ///M ever, for others clearly not.
        Exactly... although those that think it is the best M ever are wrong Click here to enlarge

        IMO of course.
      1. fundahl's Avatar
        fundahl -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        IMO of course.
        Thank you, that is the only thing that has been missing in your previous arguments. Click here to enlarge
      1. dreikraft's Avatar
        dreikraft -
        again, this conversation wouldn't have a fraction of the impact it has if it weren't for the veiled slight that is always attached to 'its an auto..pffhh'.
        the argument that if any part of the transmission operation is automated means its an auto is valid and refuting it is just dumb. technically its wrong but if the premise is 'if anything is automated its an automatic' than it is spot on.
        stage 3 clutch is done in my 'automatic'; ess (csl knockoff) smg software is next. i'll try and set up some runs with a manual 2.5 with this specific argument in mind.
        ironic top gear loves the 1m and hated the csl transmission. you can't teach an old dog new tricks and those are some really old shaggy, shaggy...well you get the picture.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dreikraft Click here to enlarge
        this conversation wouldn't have a fraction of the impact it has if it weren't for the veiled slight that is always attached to 'its an auto..pffhh'.
        Exactly and it was used with negative connotation in the video.
      1. 1cleanAMG's Avatar
        1cleanAMG -
        If BMW offered the DCT on the 1M you would see that 90% of the buyers would opt for it.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
        If BMW offered the DCT on the 1M you would see that 90% of the buyers would opt for it.
        Yes and they should have offered DCT. Car would be much closer to stepping on the M3's toes with it. I say make the best M car you can.
      1. fundahl's Avatar
        fundahl -
        Some people wouldn't agree that a DCT would be putting it closer to the best "M" car they could make.

        If this were only about laptimes then they should quit selling these pigs with interiors and sound insulation and such....

        Some people take this "M"otorsport thing way too seriously.... sorry but your M3 is not a race car, although sure you can use it to compete, just like anything else.....
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SlicktopTTZ Click here to enlarge
        Some people wouldn't agree that a DCT would be putting it closer to the best "M" car they could make.
        Strictly performance wise it would be an improvement.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SlicktopTTZ Click here to enlarge
        Some people take this "M"otorsport thing way too seriously.... sorry but your M3 is not a race car, although sure you can use it to compete, just like anything else.....
        They should change it to the marketing division then Click here to enlarge
      1. fundahl's Avatar
        fundahl -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Strictly performance wise it would be an improvement.



        They should change it to the marketing division then Click here to enlarge
        Strictly fun wise it wouldn't be an improvement, at least to me.

        The M division has been about marketing since after the first e30 M3 they created for homologation rules of the racing series they participated in. Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SlicktopTTZ Click here to enlarge
        Strictly fun wise it wouldn't be an improvement, at least to me.
        That I completely understand which is why there should be an option, like on the M3.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SlicktopTTZ Click here to enlarge
        The M division has been about marketing since after the first e30 M3 they created for homologation rules of the racing series they participated in.
        Like with the E36 lightweight? E39 M5? M3 CSL? M3 GTR? M5 V10 which they marketed as having similarities to their Formula 1 effort? Like the S65 block being built in the Formula 1 factory sharing the same materials as the F1 blocks? Like the M3 V8 allowing them to race with a V8 in ALMS? Come on.
      1. fundahl's Avatar
        fundahl -
        I agree about it being an option, I love options, and I would opt for the manual.

        You even just mentioned marketing. They market their M cars by having some simularities to their motorsport vehicles. The 1M has all the M3 competion suspension and drive-train parts, and even a heat exchanger just for the 6-speed, so they market it as an M car, which makes sense.

        Your block is about the only thing the same as the M3 race car, engine-wise. All the internals, even the crank, is changed for the street version. Who's to say that Direct Injection or their turbocharging experience wasn't derived from motorsports?

        Anyway, the 1M isn't trying to be a race car, it's just a cool car that I want to and can realisticly own.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SlicktopTTZ Click here to enlarge
        You even just mentioned marketing. They market their M cars by having some simularities to their motorsport vehicles. The 1M has all the M3 competion suspension and drive-train parts, and even a heat exchanger just for the 6-speed, so they market it as an M car, which makes sense.
        No because there is no Motorsport motor. BMW doesn't go racing with just any engine because of the suspension and brakes. They NEEDED a V8, as in, the M3 V8.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SlicktopTTZ Click here to enlarge
        Your block is about the only thing the same as the M3 race car, engine-wise. All the internals, even the crank, is changed for the street version. Who's to say that Direct Injection or their turbocharging experience wasn't derived from motorsports?
        I can tell you it wasn't derived from motorsports because the N54 was built for the masses and efficiency, not for Motorsport. BMW at the time was not racing anything resembling an N54. They still aren't. They never have. Yes, the P series engines are changed for racing but they still have similarities to the production V8.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SlicktopTTZ Click here to enlarge
        Anyway, the 1M isn't trying to be a race car, it's just a cool car that I want to and can realisticly own.
        It is a cool car. But M cars were always more than that. The M division was special. They build race cars and race motors. They built the McLaren F1 motor. They don't just take base motors and give the car any suspension and now it is an M. That just doesn't sound M.