• M3 Tuner Shootout May 21, 2011 - Bone Stock 2011 M3 on 91 octane


      There have been a lot of accusations flying around from various tuners as of late. A lot of it has concerned Powerchip and OE Tuning which is no secret to anyone. Well, there were accusations on another board that OE Tuning had been called out to a dyno comparison and it just kind of turned into a mess. We do not need to remind you that a previous shootout was scheduled in which these parties agreed to participate, so it seems neither is scared of the other. Well, BimmerBoost has organized an M3 specific tuner shootout that will be taking place on the 21st of May with a stock M3 on 91 octane for tuners to showcase their skills.

      You may remember we tried to do this before only for ESS to back out of it at the last minute. We have invited ESS again and they are free to participate if they wish. This time we will not be trying to hit a moving target. If ESS wishes to participate, they can. If not, that is their deal but they have been given the courtesy of an invitation and we want to make it clear we do not discourage any tuner from participation.

      As a matter of fact, all tuners are welcome to participate. BimmerBoost will not be running the dyno or operating any equipment simply reporting the graphs as given to us by a third party who will be in charge of those aspects. The shop that will conduct the event will be DC Performance and it will take place on a dynojet.

      Here are the tuners we have contacted in alphabetical order:

      Active Autowerke - No response
      ESS - No response
      Eurocharged - Responded, may participate
      GIAC - No response
      MHP - Responded, will participate in track shootout only
      OE Tuning - Responded, participating
      Powerchip - Responded, waiting on further details
      Singh - Responded, may participate
      Turner Motorsport - Responded, waiting on further details

      If any other tuner wishes to participate, please e-mail administrator@bimmerboost.com. If you are from out of state, we can arrange your file to be flashed by the operator. It will not be touched by anyone from BimmerBoost or any competitor, you will deal with the dyno operator directly.
      This article was originally published in forum thread: M3 Tuner Shootout May 21, 2011 - Bone Stock 2011 M3 on 91 octane started by Sticky View original post
      Comments 34 Comments
      1. evolve's Avatar
        evolve -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GG///M3 Click here to enlarge
        I'll be selling 20lbs bags of ice just outside the dyno shop for 19.95 a bag
        18.95 a bag! Special Evolve ice with extra surface area for better cooling!
      1. GG///M3's Avatar
        GG///M3 -
        lol
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by evolve Click here to enlarge
        Logging temps is really important.
        You got it, will be done.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by evolve Click here to enlarge
        The stock file is then reflashed in again, adaptations reset and a consistent baseline achieved.

        1st tuner loads his file. Results taken.

        Car is then flashed back with stock software and another base line done. Adaptations reset.

        Next tuner comes along loads his software.

        This is THE ONLY way to fairly test because it removes any changes in weather conditions and we concentrate on gains.

        Max power is not recommended here at all because conditions will change.

        The gain in power over a stock software is the most important factor here, everything else does not matter.
        I agree with all this and this should be the procedure. Thank you for your input Evolve Click here to enlarge
      1. MHP LLC's Avatar
        MHP LLC -
        Good luck with the testing guys, we'll be at MIR on the 22nd, but look forward to track or vbox testing later.

        Also fwiw, I agree with Sal regarding testing procedure, that's a good basis for fairness for all parties involved.



        Thanks!
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MHP LLC Click here to enlarge
        Good luck with the testing guys, we'll be at MIR on the 22nd, but look forward to track or vbox testing later.

        Also fwiw, I agree with Sal regarding testing procedure, that's a good basis for fairness for all parties involved.
        Thank you, yes, I believe it is fair but so far OE Tuning is the only company that has stepped up and it doesn't not seem that anyone will be willing to meet them even with those testing procedures.

        Trying to organize these things is always tough as when it comes down to it, many vocal tuners suddenly become very quiet.
      1. MHP LLC's Avatar
        MHP LLC -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Thank you, yes, I believe it is fair but so far OE Tuning is the only company that has stepped up and it doesn't not seem that anyone will be willing to meet them even with those testing procedures.

        Trying to organize these things is always tough as when it comes down to it, many vocal tuners suddenly become very quiet.
        I know you're going to face the same challenges as last time and probably more, it's just the nature of the business and what you're trying to achieve. Lots of people, schedules, egos, etc to coordinate which is I'm sure not making this fun for you. Just keep plugging away and do what you can.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MHP LLC Click here to enlarge
        I know you're going to face the same challenges as last time and probably more, it's just the nature of the business and what you're trying to achieve. Lots of people, schedules, egos, etc to coordinate which is I'm sure not making this fun for you. Just keep plugging away and do what you can.
        Exactly correct, I will do my best and what happens, happens.

        Thanks Click here to enlarge
      1. fastgti69's Avatar
        fastgti69 -
        evolve made awesome points in regards to the dyno testing. +2 reps from me man.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Also, wish to clarify, Singh has responded, has asked for further details, and may swing by but will not be participating.
      1. evolve's Avatar
        evolve -
        Just to say, thanks to those that understand what I have said.

        Evolve have no way of participating unfortunately.

        We can send an evolve-r cable but who loads tbe files? We cannot put our software in the hands of anyone that is not directly linked with us.

        As also pointed out earlier, this type of thing may not reflect the actual tune end users get and there is no way of knowing anything about the level of tune.

        We will get some independent tests done by genuine paying customers instead and you can study the gains.
        Will use a dynojet.

        For those who are participating, good luck and I hope everyone plays fair.

        I can see a few tuners not want to take part because of the history of all recent. Just because some may not choose to compete it should not be assumed they are scared or may not have a solid good tune. They may just not want to take part or may just not care.

        If anyone can break a 30 hp gain with the test proceedures I have laid out then I take my hat off to them.

        Personally I think the test would be more interesting with two cars.
        One stock and one with the normal bolt ons which the majority use.
      1. evolve's Avatar
        evolve -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fastgti69 Click here to enlarge
        evolve made awesome points in regards to the dyno testing. +2 reps from me man.
        Much appreciated to you and MHP!
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by evolve Click here to enlarge
        We can send an evolve-r cable but who loads tbe files? We cannot put our software in the hands of anyone that is not directly linked with us.
        You don't have anyone in California you trust or that deals with your product?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by evolve Click here to enlarge
        As also pointed out earlier, this type of thing may not reflect the actual tune end users get and there is no way of knowing anything about the level of tune.
        Well, the logs and gains should show off your capability. It may not be representative of what you have out there but it should show what you are capable of.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by evolve Click here to enlarge
        I can see a few tuners not want to take part because of the history of all recent. Just because some may not choose to compete it should not be assumed they are scared or may not have a solid good tune. They may just not want to take part or may just not care.
        I think that some tuners, and not you, have pointed fingers at others and made accusations. Well, they have pointed fingers yet they won't meet the tuner they pointed fingers at on the dyno? That doesn't speak well of confidence in their own product in independent testing.

        For you, I can understand why being out of the country and so forth. Local tuners on the other hand don't really have much of an excuse.

        Let's all be honest here, this really boils down to Powerchip vs. OE Tuning for the most part. I invited everyone as a courtesy, even ESS.
      1. EUGENE-Taiwan's Avatar
        EUGENE-Taiwan -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GG///M3 Click here to enlarge
        I'll be selling 20lbs bags of ice just outside the dyno shop for 19.95 a bag
        now that! is the smartest thing to doClick here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Won't be taking place: http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...party-shootout