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    • BMW to produce 4 door M3 GTS - E90 lightweight M3

      So, we are all familiar with the E92 M3 GTS. A lightweight, focused, 4.4 liter DCT only M3. German publication Auto Motor Und Sport reports that an E90 M3 GTS 4 door is coming. The lightweight E90 M3 reported on earlier is actually a GTS. Specs are stated as a 4.4 liter 440 horsepower motor with DCT transmission. This car will likely not make it to the USA either. We wonder how much of a market there really is a 4 door GTS and how it can possibly be larger than the market for the E92 GTS in the USA.












      This article was originally published in forum thread: BMW to produce 4 door M3 GTS - E90 lightweight M3 started by Sticky View original post
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      1. Yukohama's Avatar
        Yukohama -
        another car us U.S. people don't get, i'm sure they'll sell out fast
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yukohama Click here to enlarge
        another car us U.S. people don't get, i'm sure they'll sell out fast
        This just doesn't even make much sense to me. Was there some big outcry for a 4 door GTS?
      1. dOpEdUpM3's Avatar
        dOpEdUpM3 -
        I don't understand, they still have pre-lci being produced?
      1. Remonster's Avatar
        Remonster -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        This just doesn't even make much sense to me. Was there some big outcry for a 4 door GTS?
        I bet it's more like a general outcry for more GTS from those who couldn't get their hands on them. I know before the facelift the E90 was lighter and stiffer than the E92, not sure if the facelifted E90 is any different but maybe that's part of the reasoning?
      1. leo985i's Avatar
        leo985i -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dOpEdUpM3 Click here to enlarge
        I don't understand, they still have pre-lci being produced?
        Dont think that's the actual model.
      1. Yukohama's Avatar
        Yukohama -
        maybe they just wanted to make another special edition and sell it for a high profit
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Remonster Click here to enlarge
        I bet it's more like a general outcry for more GTS from those who couldn't get their hands on them. I know before the facelift the E90 was lighter and stiffer than the E92, not sure if the facelifted E90 is any different but maybe that's part of the reasoning?
        They should just produce more E92 GTS cars. This is an answer to a question nobody asked.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dOpEdUpM3 Click here to enlarge
        I don't understand, they still have pre-lci being produced?
        It is just a mule.
      1. black bnr32's Avatar
        black bnr32 -
        my gut says this rumor is not true
      1. Itsbrokeagain's Avatar
        Itsbrokeagain -
        I would totally take one.

        As far as the front end is concerned, the M3s never got a facelift. Look at the E46s, they had the 99-00 front end until the end of production..even though they got updated tailights, interior etc. Its just something they do I guess.
      1. ersin's Avatar
        ersin -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Remonster Click here to enlarge
        ... I know before the facelift the E90 was lighter and stiffer than the E92, not sure if the facelifted E90 is any different but maybe that's part of the reasoning?
        This is a myth. The E36 sedan was stiffer than the E36 coupe, yes. But the same is not true of the E90/E92. So says someone from BMW a couple of years ago. Sorry, I cannot find the post right now, but I believe it was the head of the M division talking to the public who said this. Also, the M3's never got all of the facelift that the other 3 series did.

        Whether or not BMW makes an E90 GTS M3, I really doubt we'll ever get a chance at one in the US. But, we'll see. It seems everyone considered the E90 to be very much heavier than the E92. In fact, it was only by a few pounds and this was only if they were fully optioned. It is likely that there are M3 sedans out there that are lighter than some coupes. So a lightweight M3 sedan makes sense to me. I just wish they started all the M3s this way: light. Sigh.


        Cheers.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by black bnr32 Click here to enlarge
        my gut says this rumor is not true
        I feel the same way but it would be a colossal mistake from a major German publication.
      1. Remonster's Avatar
        Remonster -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ersin Click here to enlarge
        This is a myth. The E36 sedan was stiffer than the E36 coupe, yes. But the same is not true of the E90/E92. So says someone from BMW a couple of years ago. Sorry, I cannot find the post right now, but I believe it was the head of the M division talking to the public who said this. Also, the M3's never got all of the facelift that the other 3 series did.

        Whether or not BMW makes an E90 GTS M3, I really doubt we'll ever get a chance at one in the US. But, we'll see. It seems everyone considered the E90 to be very much heavier than the E92. In fact, it was only by a few pounds and this was only if they were fully optioned. It is likely that there are M3 sedans out there that are lighter than some coupes. So a lightweight M3 sedan makes sense to me. I just wish they started all the M3s this way: light. Sigh.


        Cheers.
        Actually it isn't a myth, I've seen a list of the torsional rigidity of a bunch of cars (from Bimmers to the Veyron) and I remember there being a significant difference between the sedan, coupe and convertible though the E90 and E92 are much closer with the E93 being way less stiff. All three of them are way stiffer than the competition, though and a humongous step beyond the E46 generation which was, itself, a huge step up from the E36 generation.

        Also, you can see the weights of E90 vs E92 on BMW's website, the sedan is now 20lbs heavier but the pre-LCI was ~50-100 lighter than the LCI.

        These aren't huge differences and you'd likely never notice, I was just thinking out loud trying to explain how BMW might market such a car. At the end of the day, I agree with Sticky they should have just made more coupes but I guess variety never hurt anyone.
      1. ersin's Avatar
        ersin -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Remonster Click here to enlarge
        Actually it isn't a myth, I've seen a list of the torsional rigidity of a bunch of cars (from Bimmers to the Veyron) and I remember there being a significant difference between the sedan, coupe and convertible though the E90 and E92 are much closer with the E93 being way less stiff. All three of them are way stiffer than the competition, though and a humongous step beyond the E46 generation which was, itself, a huge step up from the E36 generation.

        Also, you can see the weights of E90 vs E92 on BMW's website, the sedan is now 20lbs heavier but the pre-LCI was ~50-100 lighter than the LCI.

        These aren't huge differences and you'd likely never notice, I was just thinking out loud trying to explain how BMW might market such a car. At the end of the day, I agree with Sticky they should have just made more coupes but I guess variety never hurt anyone.
        No, the sedan is not stiffer than the coupe for the E90/E92 M3. I'd like to see the numbers, if you can track then down.

        The LCI and pre-LCI weights are exactly the same -- the pre LCI coupe was not 50-100 lbs lighter; just 20 lbs. So close that it really comes down to options. Some M3 sedans are lighter than some coupes. I've never seen any numbers so I'll really like to see the respective weights with no options, no driver, no luggage and no gas. I suspect that these weights may be further apart since the coupe is available with a CF roof.

        I agree with Sticky too: they should have made more coupe GTS M3s. However, they really should have sold them here in the US. They only made 30 GTS coupes (if I'm not mistaken). If this sedan GTS rumor is true, I wonder how many they'll make this time.
      1. susan28's Avatar
        susan28 -
        Ok, this is my area of interest, fitting my philosophy that if your car isn't mid-engine then it oughtta have 4 doors, but that if one MUST drive a grocery getter - which is how i view front-engined vehicles with or without rear seats - then one should get the fastest, best-handling one possible to wear that "my other car is a McLaren F1" sticker, to wit: An M3 sedan is the finest grocery getter made by humans which also happens to trounce some supercars, and a GTS sedan would be the finest of the fine. Ie: the finest compromise between peoplemover and mindblower.

        If i had the money i'd go to Europe for one in a heartbeat. It would simply be THE car to have, in my book. But i'd rather have a TS'd e36 with a McLaren chaser Click here to enlarge.

        Just my .02.
      1. Sorena's Avatar
        Sorena -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ersin Click here to enlarge
        No, the sedan is not stiffer than the coupe for the E90/E92 M3. I'd like to see the numbers, if you can track then down.

        The LCI and pre-LCI weights are exactly the same -- the pre LCI coupe was not 50-100 lbs lighter; just 20 lbs. So close that it really comes down to options. Some M3 sedans are lighter than some coupes. I've never seen any numbers so I'll really like to see the respective weights with no options, no driver, no luggage and no gas. I suspect that these weights may be further apart since the coupe is available with a CF roof.
        man E90 chassis is stronger than E92 , numbers are posted in another thread here , not sure where.
        i think E90 torsional rigidity of E90 is rated 5000 NM more than E92's.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
        man E90 chassis is stronger than E92 , numbers are posted in another thread here , not sure where.
        i think E90 torsional rigidity of E90 is rated 5000 NM more than E92's.
        Would like the exact figures.
      1. Sorena's Avatar
        Sorena -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Would like the exact figures.
        i can't remember where it was posted ,i thought you would know it better.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
        i can't remember where it was posted ,i thought you would know it better.
        I don't ever remember seeing those figures...
      1. Scorpion's Avatar
        Scorpion -
        Pretty good looking.