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    • OE Tuning response to allegations of dyno manipulation by Powerchip - Powerchip vs. OE Tuning E92 M3 S65 tune

      For whatever reason, Powerchip continues to attack their former employee Jeremy of OE Tuning. Everyone is sick of it at this point but recently Mike Benvo went to OE Tuning and attempted to use their own dyno to discredit OE Tuning. The reason for this is graphs that showed large gains made by OE Tuning over a Powerchip tune.

      The owner of the M3 in question decided to make the switch to OE Tuning. He attended a recent dyno day where he saw the results of other cars and decided to try the OE Tuning tune. He was given a money back guarantee and after trying it decided to keep it. The results were posted and Powerchip as well as the usual suspects set against OE Tuning decided to attempt to discredit the results.

      BimmerBoost in an effort to clear up this nonsense, which is what it is, contacted Jeremy from OE Tuning who provides his perspective below. Now, some things to note. OE Tuning moved their dyno to a new location. At this new location the dyno was loaded with different software and calibrated differently. Their experience is that the dyno now reads a little lower than it did previously. When Mike Benvo from Powerchip "infiltrated" OE Tuning in his effort to discredit them, Jeremy called up the owner of Dyno Dynamics to discuss Benvo's allegations which were dismissed with Benvo present.

      This is all a waste of time as OE Tuning tells any customer to go use any dyno they want to verify numbers if they like. It is not in their interest to essentially lie to themselves. Any individual is free to take their tune and go verify it on any dyno they like, there is nothing to hide. Graphs below should with additional insight from Jeremy easily clear this up.

      HP vs. AFR. base lines were run with a 20 minute cool down before running 4,5,6. This is to give the best possible baseline (which we used). I am a believer of “best vs. best”.


      HP vs. Tq


      best PC baseline vs. Gintani/OE Tuned runs. Tuned runs warm and cooled down. (a 15 minute cool down in between runs) Note also AFR has changed.


      Dynos reads “tractive effort” and calculates other variables form these figures. Directly related to Torque output.


      Road speed is spot on displaying same “ramp up rate”


      Measured acceleration


      Ambient Pressure


      Ambient Temperature


      Relative Humidity


      This article was originally published in forum thread: OE Tuning response to allegations of dyno manipulation by Powerhip - PC vs. OE E92 M3 S65 tune started by Sticky View original post
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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 930chas Click here to enlarge
        This is hilarious coming from one of the moderators/sponsors on a forum where respected members are suspended or banned for even discussing HPF. Thanks for attempting to post a link, but I am sure we are all aware of what type of one-sided view will be awaiting us.....just like all the other drival in the FI section on your forum.
        +1 billion
      1. Mike Benvo's Avatar
        Mike Benvo -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        That is because it was likely from Wayne.
        No it wasn't.

        He's difficult to get along with sometimes.

        For clairties sake this post was written by Matt.

        As difficult as Wayne is, he's not responsible for EVERYTHING negative you see.

        And Sticky, I just learned of a low blow you posted online regarding Wayne's mothers passing. Absolutely inexcuesable. It makes my stomach churn that you would play off of something like that. Sickening to say the least...

        Stop pointing fingers when you DONT KNOW THE FACTS.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mike@Powerchip Click here to enlarge
        And Sticky, I just learned of a low blow you posted online regarding Wayne's mothers passing. Absolutely inexcuesable. It makes my stomach churn that you would play off of something like that. Sickening to say the least...
        Did you learn of that in a place where Wayne is referred to as a $#@!? How is it a low blow? Wayne has brought all of this upon himself. Is it any lower than Wayne hiring a private investigator to try to dig up dirt on Andy@MHP to use against him?

        How do you feel about Wayne destroying the Powerchip name? Difficult to get along with? I don't think that even scratches the surface but it isn't your fault.

        Yes, I stated when I wrote it that it was below the belt but I pull no punches when it comes to Wayne Besanko. You know how unstable he has become after his mother passed away, that is what I said and I stand by it. How else do you explain Wayne's mental instability?
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        blkclk550 -
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      1. 3Fest's Avatar
        3Fest -
        Great thread. Jeremy is a great guy and his tunes are awesome. Gintani is also an awesome shop.

        It's the same people over and over again who are jealous and angry.

        Oh and Obioban, you're full of sh!t and so is M3Forum. Click here to enlarge Tell all those "moderators" I said hello Click here to enlarge
      1. BrenM3's Avatar
        BrenM3 -
        So Jason (what's his last name?) from Bimmerpost just deleted and banned my account AFTER many members were asking for this response and claiming Gintani didn't say anything to refute the claims. I simply posted since OE is not a vendor it appears the posts have been deleted (search any of the Gintani forum accounts and notice those posts are GONE) We all know it was deleted - we all saw it.

        This is after Jeremy made two detailed posts and showed the differences (IAT/AFR/Tracibility between runs) as commented by Sal@Evolve. New members will not ever see that, only the one sided BS.

        Jason since you are reading this - you ARE the laughing stock of the BMW community. I will be sure to see this through to the end. See you at Bimmerfest.

        You have been banned for the following reason:
        Like making up facts and posting it as truth? OE is not a sponsor, that's correct, but no such data was deleted from the thread.
        Date the ban will be lifted: Never.

        Also noticed this on your account profile:

        "Friends

        Jason has not made any friends yet."

        BIG SURPRISE.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BrenM3 Click here to enlarge
        So Jason (what's his last name?) from Bimmerpost just deleted and banned my account AFTER many members were asking for this response and claiming Gintani didn't say anything to refute the claims. I simply posted since OE is not a vendor it appears the posts have been deleted (search any of the Gintani forum accounts and notice those posts are GONE) We all know it was deleted - we all saw it.
        This is why we allow guest vendors to post if it concerns their product and is vital info even though it keeps money out of our pockets.

        Can't people see Bimmerpost doesn't give a flying $#@! about having the details there for the benefit of the users? It's ridiculous.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BrenM3 Click here to enlarge
        Jason since you are reading this - you ARE the laughing stock of the BMW community. I will be sure to see this through to the end. See you at Bimmerfest.
        Don't think he would be at Bimmerfest? He lives in New York. If he attends, I will as well as I have a few choice words for him.
      1. BrenM3's Avatar
        BrenM3 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        This is why we allow guest vendors to post if it concerns their product and is vital info even though it keeps money out of our pockets.

        Can't people see Bimmerpost doesn't give a flying $#@! about having the details there for the benefit of the users? It's ridiculous.



        Don't think he would be at Bimmerfest? He lives in New York. If he attends, I will as well as I have a few choice words for him.
        Even better - but to deny it was deleted when it was VISIBLE FOR DAYS to 1000's of eyes is hilarious. I think that is one thing you, me and Robert Collins can all agree on.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BrenM3 Click here to enlarge
        Even better - but to deny it was deleted when it was VISIBLE FOR DAYS to 1000's of eyes is hilarious. I think that is one thing you, me and Robert Collins can all agree on.
        Look, everyone knows it is biased and they blatantly lie and delete whatever they want but people put up with it. What can you really do?

        I think at this point everyone knows this is the place to come for the real info and where the real enthusiasts hang out. It's annoying and even angering what they do but the only thing that can be done is to offer an alternative and simply quit supporting them.

        Everyone complains, but keeps posting. Just forget it exists and make this the primary source.

        The fact they will lie to users blatantly should tell you what you need to know.
      1. BrenM3's Avatar
        BrenM3 -
        The irony of 'making up facts' - his WHOLE website and way he runs his half ass business is based on lies. After his exit speech to PG I was floored. Which appears when PG exposed him he immediately got banned and all of his posts deleted. Must live in a personal Youtopia to believe your own bull$#@! in the mirror every morning.

        http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showp...5&postcount=21
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BrenM3 Click here to enlarge
        The irony of 'making up facts' - his WHOLE website and way he runs his half ass business is based on lies. After his exit speech to PG I was floored. Which appears when PG exposed him he immediately got banned and all of his posts deleted. Must live in a personal Youtopia to believe your own bull$#@! in the mirror every morning.
        Why do you think I work so hard to shove this site up his ass?

        It's hilarious though, I told PG about this years ago and he said he had no problem with it as he is a "venture capitalist" yet now he goes around saying M3post is censored and full of crap. Uh, wasn't I saying that years ago yet PG wanted to look cool so he became a mod on that junk to help them enforce their bull$#@! policies? Hypocrite.

        Jason used him, $#@!ed him, and threw him to the side like a used whore. I hope he learned his lesson. Maybe if he could have swallowed his pride and didn't let his little ego get in the way he could have worked toward going after them the proper way. Instead, now he is isolated, broken, and Jason is laughing like the $#@! he is.
      1. BrenM3's Avatar
        BrenM3 -
        In due time this site will rival the content you can find on that site. You just have to woo-over and keep going at the rate you are going. It will take time doesn't happen over night. And less JB vs. Procede fights Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BrenM3 Click here to enlarge
        In due time this site will rival the content you can find on that site. You just have to woo-over and keep going at the rate you are going. It will take time doesn't happen over night. And less JB vs. Procede fights Click here to enlarge
        Actually, I would contend more JB vs. Procede fights Click here to enlarge Honestly, they aren't mindless fights like in other places. We discuss the technical reasons for the differences in design architecture.

        Anyway, we already offer the best quality of any BMW forum. To rival the amount of content, well, they have millions of posts and we have thousands. So, it will take time but also their board is diluted with a ton of crap while we have much more "meat" so to speak.

        Does not happen overnight, takes a ton of work and unfortunately there is very little support out there. So, we have to do it ourselves and work hard the old fashioned way which I don't mind. It is far more satisfying.
      1. Information's Avatar
        Information -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mike@Powerchip Click here to enlarge
        You're making a big mistake by attacking me.
        Dear, Michael a.k.a. Mike Benvo

        (http://www.facebook.com/MBenvo)

        One would wager that you are making a big mistake by questioning the integrity of others in the tuning world considering your past dealings selling ESS products:

        Exhibit A:

        http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/off...ml#post1338773

        *****Post #8 gets real interesting - as does the last page of the thread.

        Also, I must inquire: how is your new porn site venture going?
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Information Click here to enlarge
        Dear, Michael a.k.a. Mike Benvo
        (http://www.facebook.com/MBenvo)

        One would wager that you are making a big mistake by questioning the integrity of others in the tuning world considering your past dealings selling ESS products:

        Exhibit A:

        http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/off...ml#post1338773

        *****Post #8 gets real interesting - as does the last page of the thread.

        Also, I must inquire: how is your new porn site venture going?
        lol. must be pretty freakin dumb to "joke" with your bosses car like that.. Jesus, PC is a joke. I learn something new about them everyday
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        I called up Mike Benvo as I missed his call earlier in the week. Anyway, we spoke and he stated that he didn't show up out of the blue but was invited down to the shop.

        We agreed all this drama is pointless and not necessary. You guys are free to decide what to believe but he stated he was invited by Alex@Gintani, didn't try to enter the shop without permission, and his goal was to run his M3 on the dyno. He is more than free to post and address any claims.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BrenM3 Click here to enlarge
        So Jason (what's his last name?) from Bimmerpost
        His last name is Liu by the way.
      1. Mike Benvo's Avatar
        Mike Benvo -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Lack of Information Click here to enlarge
        Dear, Michael a.k.a. Mike Benvo

        One would wager that you are making a big mistake by questioning the integrity of others in the tuning world considering your past dealings selling ESS products:

        Exhibit A:


        *****Post #8 gets real interesting - as does the last page of the thread.

        Also, I must inquire: how is your new porn site venture going?
        Here is my response to the ESS allegations:
        http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/off...ml#post1339174

        And since you brought this up, I have posted below the court ruling of my suit against ESS. They were ordered by the judge in their county to pay me two thousand dollars and were ordered specific performance by the judge to put their ESS tune back in the DME from my M5 and return it untampered with. How many judges will award specific performance? Clear cut case, that's why.

        I would consider that a loss for ESS. Not to mention this was three years ago, grow up.

        It's humerous that you post only to say negative things about me, but obviously wont reveal your identity... Maybe you should stop hiding behind the screen like a little? Are you afraid of me knowing who you are? Maybe you should be. Porn site? Are you crazy?

        Enjoy..

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      1. akh23456's Avatar
        akh23456 -
        porn is always nice lol...are you making a new site Mike?
      1. Mike Benvo's Avatar
        Mike Benvo -
        No. And I don't see the relevance.