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    • OE Tuning response to allegations of dyno manipulation by Powerchip - Powerchip vs. OE Tuning E92 M3 S65 tune

      For whatever reason, Powerchip continues to attack their former employee Jeremy of OE Tuning. Everyone is sick of it at this point but recently Mike Benvo went to OE Tuning and attempted to use their own dyno to discredit OE Tuning. The reason for this is graphs that showed large gains made by OE Tuning over a Powerchip tune.

      The owner of the M3 in question decided to make the switch to OE Tuning. He attended a recent dyno day where he saw the results of other cars and decided to try the OE Tuning tune. He was given a money back guarantee and after trying it decided to keep it. The results were posted and Powerchip as well as the usual suspects set against OE Tuning decided to attempt to discredit the results.

      BimmerBoost in an effort to clear up this nonsense, which is what it is, contacted Jeremy from OE Tuning who provides his perspective below. Now, some things to note. OE Tuning moved their dyno to a new location. At this new location the dyno was loaded with different software and calibrated differently. Their experience is that the dyno now reads a little lower than it did previously. When Mike Benvo from Powerchip "infiltrated" OE Tuning in his effort to discredit them, Jeremy called up the owner of Dyno Dynamics to discuss Benvo's allegations which were dismissed with Benvo present.

      This is all a waste of time as OE Tuning tells any customer to go use any dyno they want to verify numbers if they like. It is not in their interest to essentially lie to themselves. Any individual is free to take their tune and go verify it on any dyno they like, there is nothing to hide. Graphs below should with additional insight from Jeremy easily clear this up.

      HP vs. AFR. base lines were run with a 20 minute cool down before running 4,5,6. This is to give the best possible baseline (which we used). I am a believer of “best vs. best”.


      HP vs. Tq


      best PC baseline vs. Gintani/OE Tuned runs. Tuned runs warm and cooled down. (a 15 minute cool down in between runs) Note also AFR has changed.


      Dynos reads “tractive effort” and calculates other variables form these figures. Directly related to Torque output.


      Road speed is spot on displaying same “ramp up rate”


      Measured acceleration


      Ambient Pressure


      Ambient Temperature


      Relative Humidity


      This article was originally published in forum thread: OE Tuning response to allegations of dyno manipulation by Powerhip - PC vs. OE E92 M3 S65 tune started by Sticky View original post
      Comments 69 Comments
      1. 930chas's Avatar
        930chas -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Obioban Click here to enlarge
        If anyone's interested in the full story, there's a discussion on this topic in the e9X section of M3forum that isn't filtered by M3post or sticky. I'd post a link, but sticky made it so I can't Click here to enlarge
        This is hilarious coming from one of the moderators/sponsors on a forum where respected members are suspended or banned for even discussing HPF. Thanks for attempting to post a link, but I am sure we are all aware of what type of one-sided view will be awaiting us.....just like all the other drival in the FI section on your forum.
      1. Mike Benvo's Avatar
        Mike Benvo -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        Mike, how does it feel to be the laughin stock of the tuning community. I mean, left and right people are trading out there pc tunes for something else, ones that work. Must get you a bit frustrated huh?
        I mean, I have personally seen your PC tune lose power Click here to enlarge and im not even in your demographic Click here to enlarge
        I think you've had too many IED's blown up next to your face.

        Aparently the reading on the other thread is beyond your comprehension.

        I'll leave it at that.
      1. kmfurdm's Avatar
        kmfurdm -
        Here's the link. Everyone would benefit from reading it Click here to enlarge

        http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showt...post1064737325
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mike@Powerchip Click here to enlarge
        I think you've had too many IED's blown up next to your face.

        Aparently the reading on the other thread is beyond your comprehension.

        I'll leave it at that.
        dude, you post your experience with barging in on a competitors place and demanding to do this and that and think its going to go well? your side of that whole story, is, well, how can you get more biased? you even admit your first post was deleted since you cant control your temper. Do you expect me to believe you guys were smiling and joking when you first got there and then it went sour? thats not how situations play out.
        i can read just fine btw.
        i just dont see how you claim you have no hard feelings when they gained your share of the market and continue to do so? I know of you and your conversations off line, and know your nowhere near as proffessional as you should be, so you want people to believe your on the up-and-up when dealing with your rival tuner?
        so, ill ask again, more directly. How do you feel knowing that within 5 yrs, you wont be in this market anymore?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by kmfurdm Click here to enlarge
        Here's the link. Everyone would benefit from reading it Click here to enlarge

        http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showt...post1064737325
        yup, lots of info from the same 3 people over here saying the same thing right here, oh wait PG wont come here since he knows he cant post nonsense here with dumb readers to +1 him all day, and his called on his BS everytime..Dude needs to up is valuim dose or somehting..
      1. Mike Benvo's Avatar
        Mike Benvo -
        Lost Marine:

        This just shows how clueless you are on this situation:

        For the record: I DID NOT WRITE THE INITIAL REPLY.

        That was Matt (at) Powerchip - do not associate me with that writing as I had nothing to do with it. In fact, I advised him to REMOVE it because it was a terrible thing to post. So get your $#@!ing facts straight before you start pointing fingers at me. I am NOT INVOLVED with the OE tuning vs PC drama. NOT INVOLVED. DO NOT WANT TO BE INVOLVED.

        Jeremy used to be a good friend of mine and a lot of things got in the middle of that. It's clear he's very upset with me for a number of reasons from my last visit there, but his reasons are based on things that did not occur!

        I have no problem with them gaining market share. I don't care. It's a hobby for me, man the company with the better product win.

        Just because you SAY your product is better DOESNT MEAN IT IS. So PROVE IT! That's all I'm asking.

        I also want you to call Alex at Gintani after reading this (considering I just got off the phone with him), and ask him if I'm really the bad guy. You're making a big mistake by attacking me.
      1. M3_WC's Avatar
        M3_WC -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mike@Powerchip Click here to enlarge
        I think you've had too many IED's blown up next to your face.
        Do you feel joking around with a subject matter like IED's is appropriate?

        Grow-up!
      1. Mike Benvo's Avatar
        Mike Benvo -
        Yes I think it's appropriate considering his name is "Lost Marine", and he's clearly lost about the events that happened, and who posted what.

        It's clear why he has some aggression toward me if he thought I posted the original reply. Stop throwing me under the bus. I have nothing against OE or Gintani. I think competition is healthy but not in an environment like this.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mike@Powerchip Click here to enlarge
        Lost Marine:

        This just shows how clueless you are on this situation:

        For the record: I DID NOT WRITE THE INITIAL REPLY.

        That was Matt (at) Powerchip - do not associate me with that writing as I had nothing to do with it. In fact, I advised him to REMOVE it because it was a terrible thing to post. So get your $#@!ing facts straight before you start pointing fingers at me. I am NOT INVOLVED with the OE tuning vs PC drama. NOT INVOLVED. DO NOT WANT TO BE INVOLVED.

        Jeremy used to be a good friend of mine and a lot of things got in the middle of that. It's clear he's very upset with me for a number of reasons from my last visit there, but his reasons are based on things that did not occur!

        I have no problem with them gaining market share. I don't care. It's a hobby for me, man the company with the better product win.

        Just because you SAY your product is better DOESNT MEAN IT IS. So PROVE IT! That's all I'm asking.

        I also want you to call Alex at Gintani after reading this (considering I just got off the phone with him), and ask him if I'm really the bad guy. You're making a big mistake by attacking me.
        whoa, temper temper there. matt/mike, i apologize, but from your tempered response here, it doesnt really sound like it matters who wrote it, since the same level of profanity and anger is again used..

        im not attacking anyone, i have no dog in this fight. just ironic what people who are losing money daily are willing to do to their former employee that has taken money from their pocket by offering a better tune..

        oh dont worry. if it were my car involved, after seeing others dyno's and realworld proof from people who dont wish to expose it and just want a better product, i would guarantee proof showing a PC tune hurts power, and other companies provide it.
        You sir and PC, are extremely lucky i have not gotten into the S65 market yet Click here to enlarge
        but, if PC still around in the next year, i promise to provide video/logs/dyno/track runs and anything else the public may want to see to show our findings Click here to enlarge

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
        Do you feel joking around with a subject matter like IED's is appropriate?

        Grow-up!
        its fine, trust me, it takes more than a few liberals to get my BP raised
      1. SSDD's Avatar
        SSDD -
        In no way is that humerus or appropriate.
      1. Mike Benvo's Avatar
        Mike Benvo -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        whoa, temper temper there. matt/mike, i apologize, but from your tempered response here, it doesnt really sound like it matters who wrote it, since the same level of profanity and anger is again used..

        im not attacking anyone, i have no dog in this fight. just ironic what people who are losing money daily are willing to do to their former employee that has taken money from their pocket by offering a better tune..

        oh dont worry. if it were my car involved, after seeing others dyno's and realworld proof from people who dont wish to expose it and just want a better product, i would guarantee proof showing a PC tune hurts power, and other companies provide it.
        You sir and PC, are extremely lucky i have not gotten into the S65 market yet Click here to enlarge
        but, if PC still around in the next year, i promise to provide video/logs/dyno/track runs and anything else the public may want to see to show our findings Click here to enlarge


        its fine, trust me, it takes more than a few liberals to get my BP raised
        Temper, temper, whatever. I am a business professional and instead of focusing on my work I have to explain my self to people who simply make things up. You would be frustrated too if your time was wasted. In no level was my post comparable to the one posted about Jeremy. If you'd like, I could get a copy of it, repost it, and then you can see the difference yourself.

        Believe me this is not about money. If it was I wouldn't waste my time responding to you.

        And don't tell me that I'm lucky that you don't have an E9x M3 yet. Why would I care? I've had mine since 2007 - 4 year almost - It's OLD news to me. Have fun with yours when you get it and I encourage you to post as much ACCURATE, SUBSTANTIATED, REPEATABLE evidence on the software of your choice.

        I apologize if my IED comment offended anyone. I'm allowed to get mad when I have to deal with this incessant junk posted online.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        calm down sir, its just the internets.

        please post the original posts somewhere, im sure we would all love to see it. (im betting you wont though)

        im aware of the fact that its 4 yr old car, depsite being a jarhead, i can count, i do have that many fingers, and a few toes if the numbers get too big.

        point being accurate, subsatantiated and repeatable are my goals. Ive seen it already on others cars, and those owners are much more nice and forgiving than me.

        depsite whatever platform PC maybe working on in the near future, a proper tune will always outsell one that is not Click here to enlarge
      1. Obioban's Avatar
        Obioban -
        The gintani house of cards has been experiencing strong gusts, recently Click here to enlarge
      1. 600whp S4's Avatar
        600whp S4 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Obioban Click here to enlarge
        The gintani house of cards has been experiencing strong gusts, recently Click here to enlarge

        I cannot wait until sticky roast your ass on that enduras bmw contest.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Obioban Click here to enlarge
        The gintani house of cards has been experiencing strong gusts, recently Click here to enlarge
        and those that live in glass houses shouldnt be blowing pigs.. eh, or sumthin like that..
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
        Powerchip's original response was deleted. It was full of insults.
        That is because it was likely from Wayne.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mike@Powerchip Click here to enlarge
        That is ABSOLUTELY NOT what happened Joseph. Stop posting stuff like that unless you quote the source of where you got it from. And considering what you just said, the source is LYING.

        I never went anywhere without permission. I was INVITED to come there with my car and skew the graph because according to them, ITS NOT POSSIBLE. Guess what? IT IS!

        Still waiting for those correction factors.....
        I can quote the source where I got it from, Jeremy. That is what I was told and what I reported.

        We all know correction factors on a Dyno Dynamics are a can of worms.

        You tried to disable the weather station to skew the numbers. They leave their weather station plugged in and when you try to disconnect it don't you get an error? Isn't this what you and Jeremy discussed on the phone with the owner of Dyno Dynamics?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Obioban Click here to enlarge
        If anyone's interested in the full story, there's a discussion on this topic in the e9X section of M3forum that isn't filtered by M3post or sticky. I'd post a link, but sticky made it so I can't Click here to enlarge
        Filtered? LOL, you are an idiot. Yep, all ours posts disappearing left and right Click here to enlarge Oh wait, that is M3post.

        The E9X section of M3forum is almost as big of a joke as you.

        You are a vendor, all guest vendors are put in a limited usergroup, stop crying.
      1. blkclk550's Avatar
        blkclk550 -
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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        Dude needs to up is valuim dose or somehting..
        Click here to enlarge

        I'm sure his daughter can lend him some...
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mike@Powerchip Click here to enlarge
        That was Matt (at) Powerchip - do not associate me with that writing as I had nothing to do with it. In fact, I advised him to REMOVE it because it was a terrible thing to post. So get your $#@!ing facts straight before you start pointing fingers at me. I am NOT INVOLVED with the OE tuning vs PC drama. NOT INVOLVED. DO NOT WANT TO BE INVOLVED.
        Did not read that but I'm surprised that would come from Matt considering how level headed of a guy he is and how nice he is. Always a respectful person but glad it was removed as that does not reflect well on him, he's a really nice guy.

        Also, sorry I missed your phone call, was busy. I'll give you a call back tomorrow.