• Steed Speed response to HPF about their S54 turbo manifold along with the accusations of it leaking

      The new cast S54 turbo manifold HPF (Horsepower Freaks) has released is causing quite a stir. There have been some shots taken from all sides and BimmerBoost decided to contact Steed Speed directly to get their response to the issues that have been mentioned. You can read the answers to our questions below.

      The first issue we wanted clarification on was the price drop. It appears that HPF is essentially attempting to cut into the S54 manifold market at a lower price point. We asked if Steed Speed was retaliating:

      Quote Originally Posted by Steed Speed
      The price drop on my manifold is indeed in response to their new manifold which I consider to be a nasty cheap product which will undoubtedly crack as it has a terrible design. Also the merges between passages are needlessly abrupt so performance is going to suffer.
      We asked Steed Speed what they felt about about the switch.

      Quote Originally Posted by Steed Speed
      I would't have minded HPF switching products but I do take exception to them making up lies about my product to justify their pursuit for higher profits.
      There have been accusations that the Steed Speed product leaks inferring a design defect. Here is what Steed Speed had to say about what HPF has said about their manifold leaking:

      Quote Originally Posted by Steed Speed
      There was talk of my manifolds leaking yet I have never had any reports from HPF regarding any problems and I actually asked them recently if they were using the stainless seals I provide and they told me they were happy with the copper seals that they were making locally so didn't feel the need to try my seals. The manifolds are welded on a solid precision fixture so any variance they speak of must be very slight as to be of no consequence for installation. I even had a customer forget to install the seals on his E36 and it ran fine. His name is Colby Cobbs and is also on the forum and can be asked about that too. He actually just bought a second manifold from me so I figure it must be working fine. I have never, ever had any of my customers complain about my manifolds and they have all instead been very happy with the quality and performance.
      Ultimately, Steed Speed believes this cast manifold from HPF is being produced simply to get greater profit per kit.

      Quote Originally Posted by Steed Speed
      HPF is simply trying to justify a lower quality product which is intended to increase their profit per kit.
      HPF attempted to severely undercut Steed Speed who responded by lowering their price to make the difference negligible. Such is business and we are not taking sides but wish for consumers to be as informed as possible before making their decision.

      It has been suggested the Steed Speed manifold will outperform the HPF manifold. We do not know if these claims are true but are open to any independent testing and would be more than happy to report the results. What is most important is to have the best products available with documentation to help consumers make the best/most informed purchasing decision.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: Steed Speed response to HPF about their S54 turbo manifold along with accusations of it leaking started by Sticky View original post
      Comments 273 Comments
      1. Hdale85's Avatar
        Hdale85 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Steed Speed Click here to enlarge
        The dynamics of a manifold running on a car are way different to a flow bench. Only way to tell is if the test is done on a motor. Also flow tests don't show you exhaust gas velocity or the way the gas flows into the turbo and wastegate. HPF could do this of course but an independent evaluation is the only way it will be believable.
        What I don't get, is isn't casting one of the cheapest and least time consuming way to make a manifold? They are trying to sell this new manifold for 1000 bucks, I'm sorry but that just doesn't sound right. I've seen similar turbo manifolds for other cars for like 400? 500?. At least with the Steed Speed it looks like a 1000-2000 dollar piece of machining artwork. I just don't get the price tag, and when I saw the video of them claiming it was better to be honest I thought it was a joke. But even so they are getting HUGE profits at 1000 bucks a piece....
      1. GG///M3's Avatar
        GG///M3 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Hdale85 Click here to enlarge
        What I don't get, is isn't casting one of the cheapest and least time consuming way to make a manifold? They are trying to sell this new manifold for 1000 bucks, I'm sorry but that just doesn't sound right. I've seen similar turbo manifolds for other cars for like 400? 500?. At least with the Steed Speed it looks like a 1000-2000 dollar piece of machining artwork. I just don't get the price tag, and when I saw the video of them claiming it was better to be honest I thought it was a joke. But even so they are getting HUGE profits at 1000 bucks a piece....
        Exactly why the fvck is a cast manifold costing nearly 1000 bucks? Must of companies sell them for 450-650 for a 6 cylinder motor. The Steed Speed is worth every penny.
      1. black bnr32's Avatar
        black bnr32 -
        the tooling for casting is expensive and thus a cheaper optionfor mass production
      1. ZooyorQ's Avatar
        ZooyorQ -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GG///M3 Click here to enlarge
        Exactly why the fvck is a cast manifold costing nearly 1000 bucks? Must of companies sell them for 450-650 for a 6 cylinder motor. The Steed Speed is worth every penny.
        Why does a set of LED tail lights for the M3 cost $500 bucks and for an Honda its $75 bucks. :\ We'll never know! But I'm willing to bet supply and demand plays a very large part.
      1. Hdale85's Avatar
        Hdale85 -
        Well HPF seems to be blowing through turbo installs pretty rapidly so I don't think it's a supply issue obviously they have the customer base.
      1. Hdale85's Avatar
        Hdale85 -
        I don't think a casting setup is really all that expensive, I could build one in my back yard for a couple hundred bucks. I'm sure it's a bit more complicated on a larger scale, but the previous manifolds were CNC'd. The CNC setup was by far more expensive I can guarantee you.
      1. ZooyorQ's Avatar
        ZooyorQ -
        The problem is they have 107 or so Turbo'd E46 M3 customers out there already running a 'better' manifold.. so their customer base for a new manifold is really only for NEW turbo builds. Which at this point is probably slightly slower than it was 2-3 years ago when it was most likely at its peak.

        Once again.. just guessing.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ZooyorQ Click here to enlarge
        The problem is they have 107 or so Turbo'd E46 M3 customers out there already running a 'better' manifold.. so their customer base for a new manifold is really only for NEW turbo builds. Which at this point is probably slightly slower than it was 2-3 years ago when it was most likely at its peak.

        Once again.. just guessing.
        I think this is a very valid point.
      1. Hdale85's Avatar
        Hdale85 -
        Well from the video's they put up their shop seems to be always full of new car builds. Not to say it's the truth.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Hdale85 Click here to enlarge
        Well from the video's they put up their shop seems to be always full of new car builds. Not to say it's the truth.
        They have a ton of work all the time, good for them! Their marketing and presence is strong and the E46 market is better for it.
      1. Hdale85's Avatar
        Hdale85 -
        Yeah, just saying I don't think they are hurting for customers that bad as someone has said.
      1. black bnr32's Avatar
        black bnr32 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Hdale85 Click here to enlarge
        I don't think a casting setup is really all that expensive, I could build one in my back yard for a couple hundred bucks. I'm sure it's a bit more complicated on a larger scale, but the previous manifolds were CNC'd. The CNC setup was by far more expensive I can guarantee you.
        I can get a quote done in house if you'd like.
        Click here to enlarge
      1. GG///M3's Avatar
        GG///M3 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by black bnr32 Click here to enlarge
        I can get a quote done in house if you'd like.
        Click here to enlarge
        I trained you well