• Steed Speed response to HPF about their S54 turbo manifold along with the accusations of it leaking

      The new cast S54 turbo manifold HPF (Horsepower Freaks) has released is causing quite a stir. There have been some shots taken from all sides and BimmerBoost decided to contact Steed Speed directly to get their response to the issues that have been mentioned. You can read the answers to our questions below.

      The first issue we wanted clarification on was the price drop. It appears that HPF is essentially attempting to cut into the S54 manifold market at a lower price point. We asked if Steed Speed was retaliating:

      We asked Steed Speed what they felt about about the switch.

      There have been accusations that the Steed Speed product leaks inferring a design defect. Here is what Steed Speed had to say about what HPF has said about their manifold leaking:

      Ultimately, Steed Speed believes this cast manifold from HPF is being produced simply to get greater profit per kit.

      HPF attempted to severely undercut Steed Speed who responded by lowering their price to make the difference negligible. Such is business and we are not taking sides but wish for consumers to be as informed as possible before making their decision.

      It has been suggested the Steed Speed manifold will outperform the HPF manifold. We do not know if these claims are true but are open to any independent testing and would be more than happy to report the results. What is most important is to have the best products available with documentation to help consumers make the best/most informed purchasing decision.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: Steed Speed response to HPF about their S54 turbo manifold along with accusations of it leaking started by Sticky View original post
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      1. gringotegra's Avatar
        gringotegra -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DakarE36 Click here to enlarge
        Hope so! I don't lurk HT and stuff much so throw me a PM if you plan on hitting the strip up here this summer.
        Saturday May 7th, Honda-Tech meet @ Pacific raceways! Track will be open for racing too! Ill be there, racing for sure.. no hardparking here! also Nos Forum fest and IFO will be the other events i will make it up to seattle to race!

        Took 1st in the FIS class last year:

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        Hoping to do it again this year!!!
      1. ZooyorQ's Avatar
        ZooyorQ -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 5mall5nail5 Click here to enlarge
        While they won't WANT to lessen their reliability, you have to realize all the good parts on an HPF setup are engineered by a consultant not part of HPF. Ie., Leen @ SS for the manifold, AEM guys for the ECU (which isn't great, but I can't begin to think what would have come out if HPF made an ECU themselves).

        So while they won't want to hurt what they've established, they seem to be going about this without a real consultant on the matter - theres no question in my mind that the SS manifold is hand and fist better than the casty.
        This may be true.

        Do you know who made/designed the intake manifold? What about the meth system? I liked how they used best of bread stuff.. but as a fellow bussiness owner my self I know how expensive that can be to sell a product that isn't built internally.
      1. DakarE36's Avatar
        DakarE36 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ZooyorQ Click here to enlarge
        This may be true.

        Do you know who made/designed the intake manifold? What about the meth system? I liked how they used best of bread stuff.. but as a fellow bussiness owner my self I know how expensive that can be to sell a product that isn't built internally.
        Leen has already commented on the intake manifold and meth components if I'm not mistaken. He was the one who brought the contacts to HPF. I believe both components are made in Canada.
      1. ccsykes's Avatar
        ccsykes -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ZooyorQ Click here to enlarge
        but as a fellow bussiness owner my self I know how expensive that can be to sell a product that isn't built internally.
        The Company has simply outgrown the outsourced model, they are growing vertical. I guess some people don't think like businessmen. Click here to enlarge
      1. dreikraft's Avatar
        dreikraft -
        Sticky - get the cast mani down to socal, ill be the guinea pig!
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dreikraft Click here to enlarge
        Sticky - get the cast mani down to socal, ill be the guinea pig!
        Can I count on you?

        Where are you located? San Luis Obispo? You don't mind driving a little bit?
      1. dreikraft's Avatar
        dreikraft -
        ofcourse i don't mind, im only 3hrs away plus it gives me an excuse to swap my copper fire rings out Click here to enlarge
        whos dyno were you thinking?

        btw - steed speed - your mani is pure sehx
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dreikraft Click here to enlarge
        ofcourse i don't mind, im only 3hrs away plus it gives me an excuse to swap my copper fire rings out Click here to enlarge
        whos dyno were you thinking?

        btw - steed speed - your mani is pure sehx
        Well then, comparison is on!

        I'm thinking a dynojet will be necessary.

        HPF and Steed Speed already agreed so I'll let them you are donating your car and we will go from there. Not sure how long it will take them to ship the manifolds and such.
      1. dreikraft's Avatar
        dreikraft -
        steed speed mani i'm using is from one of the first batches like hpf kit #5 or something lol. not sure if we need/want a newer one, i had just thought all we needed was the cast mani.
        don't schedule this near mfest buddy!
        and i need BB stickers for vegas too btw
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dreikraft Click here to enlarge
        and i need BB stickers for vegas too btw
        PM me your address.
      1. GG///M3's Avatar
        GG///M3 -
        Yes the Steed Speed is the best manifold for the m50 based motor, and the s54.
      1. Steed Speed's Avatar
        Steed Speed -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dreikraft Click here to enlarge
        ofcourse i don't mind, im only 3hrs away plus it gives me an excuse to swap my copper fire rings out Click here to enlarge
        whos dyno were you thinking?

        btw - steed speed - your mani is pure sehx
        Thanks! And thanks for helping out with the comparison. If Chris is going to pony up a cast manifold and you already have one of mine then I'll be happy to pay for the dyno cost.
      1. dreikraft's Avatar
        dreikraft -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Steed Speed Click here to enlarge
        Thanks! And thanks for helping out with the comparison. If Chris is going to pony up a cast manifold and you already have one of mine then I'll be happy to pay for the dyno cost.
        cool, we'll see what sticky comes up with.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Steed Speed Click here to enlarge
        Thanks! And thanks for helping out with the comparison. If Chris is going to pony up a cast manifold and you already have one of mine then I'll be happy to pay for the dyno cost.
        That would be awesome if you are willing to do that, would really help.
      1. DakarE36's Avatar
        DakarE36 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dreikraft Click here to enlarge
        don't schedule this near mfest buddy!
        I think during M-Fest would be an AWESOME time to do the test. You'd have HPF techs on site to help with the manifold swap and plenty of witnesses Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DakarE36 Click here to enlarge
        I think during M-Fest would be an AWESOME time to do the test.
        We need access to a dyno and time to do comparison tests and such without distractions. I don't know if Vegas is the best venue.
      1. DakarE36's Avatar
        DakarE36 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        We need access to a dyno and time to do comparison tests and such without distractions. I don't know if Vegas is the best venue.
        I was mistakenly under the impression that there was a dyno event @ MFest but apparently that isn't the case. Bummer. What better place to set the truth free...
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DakarE36 Click here to enlarge
        I was mistakenly under the impression that there was a dyno event @ MFest but apparently that isn't the case. Bummer. What better place to set the truth free...
        I agree, if there was a dyno event that would be perfect.
      1. 5mall5nail5's Avatar
        5mall5nail5 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ZooyorQ Click here to enlarge
        This may be true.

        Do you know who made/designed the intake manifold? What about the meth system? I liked how they used best of bread stuff.. but as a fellow bussiness owner my self I know how expensive that can be to sell a product that isn't built internally.
        Well they're using FJO for the methanol control which is... ok. They should use Aquamist, they have the absolute best system available. But, it comes down to expense and...

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ccsykes Click here to enlarge
        The Company has simply outgrown the outsourced model, they are growing vertical. I guess some people don't think like businessmen. Click here to enlarge
        Actually its more likely that they're saturated the E46 market and are needing to expand to the share that cannot afford $25k turbo kits, but would bite on a $900 manifold to try and build their own.

        Let us remember, it is rare that "businessmen" know the aftermarket automotive industry. That's not a jab at your neon green car.
      1. Funkboy316's Avatar
        Funkboy316 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 5mall5nail5 Click here to enlarge
        Well they're using FJO for the methanol control which is... ok. They should use Aquamist, they have the absolute best system available. But, it comes down to expense and...



        Actually its more likely that they're saturated the E46 market and are needing to expand to the share that cannot afford $25k turbo kits, but would bite on a $900 manifold to try and build their own.

        Let us remember, it is rare that "businessmen" know the aftermarket automotive industry. That's not a jab at your neon green car.

        you must have one of the smallest dicks on the planet