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  • AdminTeam's Avatar
    Today, 11:48 AM
    Hey fr2cdiu2ae: :text-welcomewave:
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  • VargasTurboTech's Avatar
    Today, 11:43 AM
    Biggest difference between us and the sooooooooooper RB thread is, they can't even get numbers on single gear pulls on a dyno (let alone at the track), we had 625 in 3 map revisons then complete consistency with slapping turbos on and nothing else. So yeah they are def having other problems, if anyone believes they made more power, and aren't posting it, they are fooling themselves. Well that and the fact that we posted every bit of data to go along with out testing and they won't post anything, like they have done something no one else has done. If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to hide, I've got people from the forums at the track poking around under the hood, and its all about go ahead man, you've always got to be wary of the guys hiding things
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  • klipseracer's Avatar
    Today, 11:41 AM
    First! I LIKES BOOBIES!
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  • dzenno@PTF's Avatar
    Today, 11:37 AM
    Finally – a real announcement from proTUNING Freaks about the turbo kit and fueling solutions that our own brand MOTIV Motorsport has been working so feverishly on for the last year. In the aftermarket performance world it is often a race to be the first out with a product. While we would like to be able to do that as well as keep focus on our core ideals of quality and race proven power/reliability – we simply could not do so without extensive testing on and off the track. Over the last year we have put over 10,000 miles of daily driven duty as well as multiple practice and national level competition NASA road course events and abuse on the MOTIV Single Turbo Kit. We are not simply a shop that made a one off kit for a customer and decided to put it into production. We have gone through multiple manifold designs and fabrication types, as well as multiple revisions on our final manifold design. Now that we are satisfied with the durability of the kit after being put through its paces we can announce the details and preliminary results as we continue to test the final “all out” performance and stages of power based on fuel setup (OEM, OEM+, and “ALL OUT”). At Bimmerfest East 2014 we put on display some parts from the turbo kit and fuel system. Our goal was to provide staged power in a modular form that allows the consumer to purchase the kits all together or piece by piece. So without further ado – product pictures and results from OEM and OEM+ testing. The “ALL OUT” numbers will be soon to come as we need something to keep us occupied while we finish the final stages of production on 20+ single turbo kits and fuel setups to support your power goals up to and beyond 1000hp. Disclaimer – all dynos read differently – even from one dyno jet to another. Our testing was done on a DynoJet 424x. The month we took delivery of the shop car we through the car on the dyno to get baseline numbers. This specific DynoJet apparently reads a bit lower than the typical one people have been posting up. Bone stock the car produced 257whp and 260wtq. Testing and Results – OEM Fueling – 93 Octane ONLY The OEM fuel system leaves a lot of power out of reach. There are many options when it comes to achieving power beyond what the OEM system can do but many of these are not all that reliable and fall in the category of “but they work”. We feel that things shouldn’t just “work” – they should be designed, tested, and implemented. For those of you who want to make at and above the modified stock turbo housing power – and all on pump gas and stock fuel system – NO PROBLEM. The first set of testing we did was simply using a stock LPFP with a 255 inline pump. The MOTIV 750 kit is capable of running much more boost and can make far more power on 93 octane alone due to the decrease in pumping losses and efficiency. However, the HPFP began dropping fuel pressure drastically as it could not keep up with the demand (in part because the LPFP system was struggling as well). As such – this is where we felt we would stop in an effort to display a conservative showing of what the MOTIV 750 kit could do on a stock LPFP and only 93 octane. Testing and Results – OEM+ Fueling – 93 Octane ONLY After seeing just an in line pump to help the LPFP supply the HPFP we stepped up to the next level of fuel supply using a 455 in tank. The goal of this was to figure out how much further we could push the system before the HPFP showed signs of it not being able to keep up. With the aftermarket low pressure Walbro unit we were able to squeeze a bit more fuel out of the OEM HPFP allowing us to push just a little further. It's always fun to play around and see how the dynamic of the tables in the dme of the car can change with more boost less timing, less boost more timing, different cam tuning, etc. So here is a quick preview of a different profile of the map. Testing and Results – “All Out” Fueling We designed the MOTIV Single Turbo kits to be extremely efficient, powerful, consistent, and reliable. We were quick to learn that the stock HPFP (no matter what LPFP supplied it fuel) would not be enough to even find the limits of our turbo systems on regular 93 octane alone. As such we began integrating our supplemental MOTIV Port Injection fuel system. After enough testing over the previous months we can finally begin to share these results with you as well. The goal of this setup (which we have used on other platforms with great success as well) is to supply the engine fuel while taking the stress off of the HPFP and keeping it within range where the HPFP never drops fuel pressure throughout the RPM range - no matter how much power the car is making. The following were still at low boost but with the MOTIV Fuel System there is plenty of fuel for up to and over 1000hp. We are only just starting to display how much power this kit can make as this is still only on 93 octane and nothing else. The above graphs and comments have left out one major component of tuning so far. SPOOL!! Naturally, larger turbochargers require a greater amount of time to spool up and reach their respective optimal operating range. However, through tuning and an excellent VANOS system that is employed on the BMW N54 Engine, we’ve been able to alter both intake and exhaust camshaft phasing to provide more exhaust gasses into the turbine housing in order to bring the compressor up to speed faster. By increasing dynamic compression and effectively create more exhaust gas volume to enter the turbine housing we are able to speed up the spool. This comparison between an OEM and PTF calibrated VANOS system and its effects on turbocharger spool can be seen progressively in the graph below. At this point we are only starting to come into the MOTIV 750’s turbo efficiency range. The 3586 does not even wake up until approximately 24+psi and LOVES to flow upper 20s and lower 30s. So in two weeks we will be unveiling all of the results. “All Out” on race gas and e85. All out on 93 as far as we can comfortably push it. And even running a JB4 as we have been in communication with Terry for those of you would prefer to run the kit with a JB4 and his back end flash. Just for fun…here is a higher boost pull where I let off at about 4700RPM... We can’t give out too much information in one night!! Stay tuned for the remainder of that dyno pull and many more like it. In the next week or so we will begin taking pre-orders to gauge interest in how many kits we need to keep on the shelves and which turbos will be in demand. While we love people wanting to push the limits and go with bigger turbos, we do recommend sizing the turbo appropriately for your goals. Having a 900hp turbo is not fun if you only run it at 500-600hp. You will spool slower and have less power under the curve. As of now we are finishing production on approximately 20 kits. We will be offering a slightly smaller option in our 600 kit and two larger options in our 900 kit. The 900 kit can be paired with either a Forced Performance HTA3794 or a PTE6466. The 900 kit will have a little bit of lag but allow for more power on pump gas and even more when pushed all out with our full line of MOTIV horsepower solutions. The kits will retail starting at 7749 and come with all the necessary hardware needed for install. We will be doing an intro special on the first production run of 7600$ SHIPPED in the US. For shipping outside of the US please contact us. Detailed pictures to follow. The kits come with some of the most reliable and reputable turbos on the market. These are not discount turbos. They start at 2249 direct from the retailer. Forced Performance / HTA turbos are world renowned for their quality. In the meantime – enjoy this video and some pictures of the kit in the process of being made. We will begin shipping orders the first week of November. VIDEO: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=706028212818250
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    Today, 11:35 AM
    Just get upgraded axles from DSS.
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  • ChuckD05's Avatar
    Today, 11:31 AM
    ChuckD05 replied to a thread ShotGun HPFP uprgade update in N54
    You are very accurate in your statements but its indirectly stating what i mentioned which is up until this point this car has not transferred the power to the ground for real life results as well as many of us had hoped for. Dan and I have spoken many times before and there are def several road blocks keeping that car from its full potential even taking the AT tranny out of the equation. (post shift timing drops which im not sure cobb only resolved or not) ... Same as other 700+ hp car deals with, killing the roll race potential as well... I do not doubt for one second, your car will be up , running, and going as fast as possible... this just shows that hard work is involved in tuning these cars at this level which costs money and time and its not as easy as "slap" this kit on and dyno. IMO your newest turbos at 23psi to 20 at 5xx whp is the best offering this car has as an upgrade for DD, racing, looking at, etc... I wouldnt go any further but i respect all that do. Like yourself, Dan, BMS, etc... I mean super RB thread went hush hush rather quickly too. Another example, will it all get worked out sure... most likely. Things just arent as easy as making 450-525. Thats what I think we both were referring to.
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    Today, 11:30 AM
    Tell me about it and why I should.
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  • Andrew@activeautowerke's Avatar
    Today, 11:26 AM
    Yeah I have downpipe jb4 map 2 , bms intake 30% e85. Ctsv is rated to 550 crank I think though so its still a nice kill for the amount of money invested.
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    Today, 11:25 AM
    closing
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    Today, 11:23 AM
    Um. The S5 is positioned in the mid-range just as the 435i and E400 are. The M4 would go up against the E63 AMG coupe (if they had one) and the RS5.
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  • VargasTurboTech's Avatar
    Today, 11:21 AM
    Well Dan works in alaska, and has trapped 133 with tranny issues, that tells you the car will run HARD when it gets a tranny, the other proven power guy is selling his car so why try to break it. I think all the single turbo AT guys are avoiding the track because they cant launch without a higher stall. We are honestly trying to get this done, lots of good minds on it. Good news is, the twin disc is effing awesome. I had the same thing happen as last time on the 11.8 run, no 2-step engage, launched at 6800, car actually hooked pretty good, and cut the 1.8 60 and the clutch didnt slip and burn up...:) Edit: Now that am thinking back, remember that not a single Single turbo car when all there was Vishnu cars ever had a very good outing at SS except I think one, these cars are finicky at high power
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  • ChuckD05's Avatar
    Today, 11:17 AM
    ChuckD05 replied to a thread ShotGun HPFP uprgade update in N54
    my comment was referring to MANY more things than your car... Dan in Florida. 7xx HP, poof the other proven power car, poof terrys 135 did nothing but provide numbers when running, poof ando from bms , got single, poof, now trying again this list can go on and on... Donny dynoed 6xx , poof sold car lol wont really tell me why exactly for good measure lets add stickys car, 9 billion hp, poof :) LOL when big power is made it doesnt ever transfer to the pavement and results on video or real life in repeated fashion your car was literally the least of my points of reference but can be added to the list of cars that have high hp and are proving to be a little more difficult than predicted... I just said it here... wasnt knocking it at all, sorry if it came off like that
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  • froop's Avatar
    Today, 11:16 AM
    Hi, Just wondering if I could get a little feedback/insight into a couple issues I'm having with tuning. I'm self tuning my N54 (FBO with RBs) using a Cobb and Procede but I'm a very amateur tuner. Therefore I'm only really adjusting a few of the tables within the Cobb and Procede, mainly boost/load, timing, fuel, fuel scalar, OL fueling, methanol, etc. Not really touching much else and have left them on whatever the Cobb OTS E30 race map settings were. I just recently did a map revision after finally fixing my AFR issue. I was getting consistently richer (by 1 point) AFRs in bank 2 even after replacing all 4 O2 sensors. I needed to get a workshop to reset my fuel trim adaptations using Autologic as neither the Cobb or Procede was able to do it. Here's a link to the logs. http://www.datazap.me/u/froop/20140919-3rd-gear-pull-e50-v4-5-and-procede?log=0&data=1-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11&zoom=17-177 http://www.datazap.me/u/froop/20140919-3rd-gear-pull-e50-v4-5-and-procede?log=1&data=1-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11 Logs were done in 3rd gear. I'm targeting 21psi on the Procede between 4000 to 6000 RPMs, tapering to 18 at 7000 but I'm not taking the logs all the way to redline due to SMFW related misfires past 6200 RPMs. For timing on the Cobb, I'm targeting 14.5 degrees at redline, ramping up gradually from 10 at around 2000RPMs. There are a few things to note/issues that I can see on the logs and I could use a little feedback/help for some of them with figuring out the causes and possible actions to rectify them. 1. I'm losing traction in the middle of the pull each time which unfortunately I can't do much about and doesn't help with getting a clean log. 2. I'm not always hitting the targeted boost. It doesn't stay at 21 when it should. I'm assuming for this I'll need to start fiddling with the WGDC map on the Procede and can probably leave the Cobb tables alone? 3. There is a fuel trim disparity which I can only assume is to do with uneven methanol flow however AFRs are quite even so I'm not too worried about it. The AFRs are a bit richer than I am targeting (e.g. 12.2 when they should be 12.5) which I think is because I'm flowing too much fuel before the OL fueling gets a chance to pull it. I plan on reducing the OL Fueling value in the Procede to compensate for this. 4. Whenever I begin a pull the car appears to run lean (16-17:1) before there is a sharp spike in the fuel trims to compensate and bring this back in line. What could be the cause of this? 5. I'm not meeting my timing targets, despite having no throttle closures and no ignition corrections (other than the drop on the 2nd pull which I think is due to loss of traction). They're about 0.5 to 1 degree lower than my target. What could be the cause and what can I change to help the car meet targets? Although I haven't logged IATs I am quite certain that this wouldn't be one of the causes as I flow quite a significant amount of meth and IATs typically drop from 70-90 degrees at the beginning of a pull to 40-50 degrees during the course of a normal pull. Thank you in advance for any help :) Alex
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  • AdminTeam's Avatar
    Today, 11:06 AM
    Welcome JustineBa, take a look around, I think you will like what you see.
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  • cadillacgrills's Avatar
    Today, 11:05 AM
    when I contacted DSS a few months ago they said they were able to re-build my axles (i snapped the drive side axle right at the joint) instead of buying new/replacements to send to them. I actually called and talked to them twice about re-building b/c i just wasn't sure how they would do that but they seemed confident they could. Unfortunately, due to circumstances I replaced with stock but may be worth a call to them to see if they can take the one(s) you snapped. i picked up oem from ecs tuning.
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  • VargasTurboTech's Avatar
    Today, 11:05 AM
    Eibach Coilovers, Eibach anti-roll bars, lock down kit, that is the extent of the suspension upgrades in the rear, car also has a wavetrac LSD, and UUC tranny mounts. Honestly the car is hooking, last time out on less power we nailed a 1.7 60 ft second try without the greatest launch, playing around with launch RPM should get us better, we did a 1.8 on the 11.8 run. Shiv pulled off a 1.5 in his record run, that is why he ran it, everything besides the 1.5 60ft would have put him in the low 11's
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  • mycoupe's Avatar
    Today, 11:00 AM
    mycoupe replied to a thread ShotGun HPFP uprgade update in N54
    Well, we all know 10's are possible for the platform since they've been run once(?) already by whoever drove Shiv's car. The power certainly is there for your car too. What suspension do you have on the car and hopefully Terry and D get it running consistently strong.
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  • Snertz's Avatar
    Today, 10:54 AM
    Anyone getting in on this? opinions? :matrix:
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    Today, 10:42 AM
    Let me see what I can do. I know it's a PITA but the server not getting hammered from quick searches is more important.
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    Today, 10:40 AM
    Actually it's a 3.5 liter. Mercedes quietly introduced a new version of the M276 turbo this being the M276 DELA35 and it has the exact same power and torque rating although with lower boost. ;)
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    Today, 10:39 AM
    It was already mentioned. I'm merging them.
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  • Torgus's Avatar
    Today, 10:34 AM
    Thanks man. Diff lockdown kit before I go back to the track. I might even look into the DSS axles but after buying two more axles and shipping it will be like $1500 which is outrageous for axles...add the diff lockdown kit thats alot of money to not have to worry about snapping axles...but I think it's my only option...
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