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  • newb335guy's Avatar
    10-14-2014, 09:39 AM
    This is a dyno of new RBs. The regular old version that have been balanced to 0.2 grams throughout the RPM range. OEM tolerance is 1.5 grams, High performance tolerance is 0.5 grams. These should be able to take a big beating These turbos also have the Thrust Upgrade. This Mustang dyno supposedly reads very low and most are not happy. After the first pull the guy asked me is this right? I said what? He said the dyno it seems very high 475 535. (all pulls in 4th gear. 1st pull 475 535 2nd 472 531 3rd 474 532 the Cobb stg2 aggressive 351 395.) I said I was hoping for 500 he then said this thing is a beast 470s on this thing is an animal. Temperature out was 78 and muggy so was hoping for better conditions. 475 535 was the highest run even though it is not on the sheet, he put my first ever Cobb stg 2 aggressive on there for comparison to now. Its impressive to say the least. I will be at the track Thursday night to see what she can do the 1/4 in. Ok to Terry first thank you for all your help this is a BMS flash that has some tweaks from Ken AKA Wedge, we had to get torque down to allow shifts from 4th to 5th and get fueling scale up for the map. Wedge thank you very much. 4th gear pulls RACE_AT: For use with E85, Methanol Injection, and/or Race gas mixtures Ken Wedge made some adjustments to the above map for fueling and torque issues where it would not shift from 4th-5th at times due to to much torque. 2007 E90 AT JB4 G5 Back end flash Ken Wedge Tweaked FBO HFS Meth kit RB turbos E85/93 E40 blend
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    10-15-2014, 03:44 PM
    Motiv Motorsport posted a dyno overlay that provides perspective on the difference between two of their N54 single turbo kits and also the impact of their port injection fueling system. The 750 kit in the graph below is using E50 ethanol without the port injection fuel system. The Motiv 900 N54 single turbo kit is using the port injection supplemental fuel system combined with E48 ethanol. The difference between the two is substantial and the supplemental fuel is obviously necessary to hit the figures. Motiv 750: 705 wheel horsepower 680 lb-ft of wheel torque Motiv 900 with supplemental port fuel injection: 829 wheel horsepower 781 lb-ft of wheel torque This overlay is certainly interesting to see as we already saw the record setting Motiv 900 dynograph which touched off a spirited discussion in the BimmerBoost forums. A video has since been added which is below. The automatic transmission is obviously not capable (yet) of reliably handling any of these figures but solutions are being worked on. MOTIV 900 Single Turbo Kit MOTIV PI-1000 Port Fuel Kit MOTIV / FuelIT! Stage 3+ LPFP System MOTIV Single Turbo Tuning Solution + COBB AP Tuned by Jake@MOTIV 100% STOCK MOTOR
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    10-15-2014, 03:51 PM
    Motiv Motorsport posted a dyno overlay that provides perspective on the difference between two of their N54 single turbo kits and also the impact of their port injection fueling system. The 750 kit in the graph below is using E50 ethanol without the port injection fuel system. The Motiv 900 N54 single turbo kit is using the port injection supplemental fuel system combined with E48 ethanol. The difference between the two is substantial and the supplemental fuel is obviously necessary to hit the figures. Motiv 750: 705 wheel horsepower 680 lb-ft of wheel torque Motiv 900 with supplemental port fuel injection: 829 wheel horsepower 781 lb-ft of wheel torque This overlay is certainly interesting to see as we already saw the record setting Motiv 900 dynograph which touched off a spirited discussion in the BimmerBoost forums. A video has since been added which is below. The automatic transmission is obviously not capable (yet) of reliably handling any of these figures but solutions are being worked on. MOTIV 900 Single Turbo Kit MOTIV PI-1000 Port Fuel Kit MOTIV / FuelIT! Stage 3+ LPFP System MOTIV Single Turbo Tuning Solution + COBB AP Tuned by Jake@MOTIV 100% STOCK MOTOR
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  • aflatau's Avatar
    10-13-2014, 09:49 PM
    Any one here vape aka use e-cigs, mods and etc? What is your current setup like?
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    10-14-2014, 01:11 AM
    The F80/F822 M3/M4 are 11 second cars and here is the proof. Really, this should not be surprising for anyone with wheel horsepower in the 420 range and wheel torque in that same range. There is more than enough grunt to get a stock car into the 11's with a good launch and favorable conditions. Deep into the 11's as the 11.66 @ 119.240 pass shows. The 1.759 60 foot definitely helps and is certainly great for OEM street tires. ATCO in New Jersey is also known for good prep so combine that with some torque off the line and there is your 1.759. These are all variables but in the opinion of BimmerBoost.com the race gas is having the biggest impact here. The ECU is designed to adjust based on fuel quality and will to a degree advance even on the stock tune knowing the detonation threshold is higher. A log or even just a pass with pump gas and race gas would sure shed some light on just how big of a difference the fuel is making but we know how well modern direct injected turbo cars respond to higher octane. A lot of favorable factors here (-350 feet density altitude) making for a record setting stock F80 M3 1/4 mile recipe.
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  • VargasTurboTech's Avatar
    10-16-2014, 05:42 PM
    So remember when Vargas Turbo Technology teased that they started work on a turbocharger upgrade for the S55 3.0 liter turbocharged inline six in the new F80 M3 and F82 M4 just two weeks ago? Well, they are already done and the hardware is heading to EAS for testing. Yep, this happened absurdly fast. However, let's all hold our horses and expectations. The problem will not be the hardware, VTT has that part down as the pictures so. The problem as always is the problem on modern BMW's will be the electronics and tuning. Regardless, good things are coming for the new M cars already and it is simply a matter of time before this all works as it should The question mark is how much time. Vargas Turbo Technology: We are happy to announce our first set of S55 turbocharger upgrades are complete, and will be going out tomorrow. We chose EAS as our tester, and they will installed / tested on their current record holding S55. We are excited to see how they do in the new platform! :dance:
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    10-15-2014, 01:52 AM
    Nice race from our Russian friends here pitting the new breed of German twin turbo V8's up against each other. On the BMW side we have an F13 M6 with a Stage 2 tune from PP-Performance. The CLS63 AMG M157 is tuned by someone who rebrands other tuners tunes. Yes, for some unknown reason MHP still exists. The last time we heard the name they were selling Weistec tunes as their own. From what we have heard first hand, Weistec has distanced themselves from MHP. This 'tune' could be anything considering how MHP and Andrew Cluck have been passed around from tuner to tuner as if he was a drunk sorority girl at a frat party. Well, let's focus on how the cars do instead of how diseases get spread. There are three runs and in the first the CLS63 gets a nice jump. The M6 is able to reel it in and looks like it is starting to pull only for the CLS63 to let off due to traffic. The second run offers a more even start and the M6 again starts to pull. By 167 miles per hour it looks like the M6 has a good 5+ car lengths and is continuing to pull, impressive. The third run is the best of the bunch as the cars have the most even start. The M6 again pulls up top and continues to pull by 167+ miles per hour. In a roll on race like this the M6 has a couple advantages on the CLS63. To begin with, it is lighter by roughly 250 pounds. Additionally, the DCT transmission in the M6 shifts faster. Without seeing a dyno from each car it is difficult to exactly state how these factors affect the race but the result is the M6 pulling decisively on the runs.
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  • Legionofboom's Avatar
    10-15-2014, 11:41 AM
    How is everyone feeling about this?
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  • VargasTurboTech's Avatar
    10-15-2014, 08:31 PM
    We are happy to announce our first set of S55 turbocharger upgrades are complete, and will be going out tomorrow. We chose EAS as our tester, and they will installed / tested on their current record holding S55. We are excited to see how they do in the new platform! :dance:
    23 replies | 422 view(s)
  • Sticky's Avatar
    10-14-2014, 03:53 PM
    Congratulations to BimmerBoost member akh23456 for topping his personal best and also according to our information setting the fastest F10 M5 trap speed seen on the 1/4 mile drag strip thus far. With bolt on modifications and race gas he me managed a 11.580 @ 130.08 1/4 mile pass at the ATCO strip in New Jersey. His best elapsed time hit 11.321 @ 128.57 although the trap speed dropped with the better traction off the line. These two slips are a good illustration of how trap speed and elapsed time relate and can be swayed by the launch. @akh23456's modifications consist of MS109 race gas, custom Undercover Performance catless exhaust system, and a BMS tune. Well done and congrats:
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    10-15-2014, 01:45 AM
    Nice race from our Russian friends here pitting the new breed of German twin turbo V8's up against each other. On the BMW side we have an F13 M6 with a Stage 2 tune from PP-Performance. The CLS63 AMG M157 is tuned by someone who rebrands other tuners tunes. Yes, for some unknown reason MHP still exists. The last time we heard the name they were selling Weistec tunes as their own. From what we have heard first hand, Weistec has distanced themselves from MHP. This 'tune' could be anything considering how MHP and Andrew Cluck have been passed around from tuner to tuner as if he was a drunk sorority girl at a frat party. Well, let's focus on how the cars do instead of how diseases get spread. There are three runs and in the first the CLS63 gets a nice jump. The M6 is able to reel it in and looks like it is starting to pull only for the CLS63 to let off due to traffic. The second run offers a more even start and the M6 again starts to pull. By 167 miles per hour it looks like the M6 has a good 5+ car lengths and is continuing to pull, impressive. The third run is the best of the bunch as the cars have the most even start. The M6 again pulls up top and continues to pull by 167+ miles per hour. In a roll on race like this the M6 has a couple advantages on the CLS63. To begin with, it is lighter by roughly 250 pounds. Additionally, the DCT transmission in the M6 shifts faster. Without seeing a dyno from each car it is difficult to exactly state how these factors affect the race but the result is the M6 pulling decisively on the runs.
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  • newb335guy's Avatar
    10-17-2014, 07:08 PM
    The Good: Long story short RBs are pretty beastly I am trapping 6-8 mph faster than I use to at the track. Comparing Apples to Apples my buddy in his JB4 FBO back end flash car was trapping 116-117 best a 118 at 11.8. A FBO 135 Jake Cobb Pro Tuned car was only doing 112-114 with his best being a 12.1 at 115. So some perspective on the night and an Apples to Apples comparison before I get the ones chiming in I trap 123 on stockers. I doubt that will be done where I run at and this is how the BMW's run here including myself and others. My time slips from last night vs my Last run with my stockers The Bad: I could not launch hard in 2nd due to torque shutting down power then allowing it to shift into 3rd then I would be out like a rocket ship. And yes I have an Alpina Flash Wedge suggested the 2011 Alpina Flash so who knows. Its still a work in progress to figure out how to get all this power to work together while doing a 1/4 mile run. The car is super fast in rolls and great after 2nd has shifted during launches. I will need to play with limiting boost in 2nd for optimal launches without hitting a torque shut down. If I can do that this car is easily 11.1-11.3 car its just a beast but she has to be harnessed. I have GO Pro vids but I need to edit them down so they do not take hours to load on youtube. In the race against my buddies 335 you cans see how 2nd gear falls flat then it shifts catches boost in 3rd and I am out. The UGLY: Another buddy in his E92 stick on his very first pass he tried to launch and broke an axle, UGLY. Anyone have pointers for loading GoPro vids to Youtube?
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  • VargasTurboTech's Avatar
    Yesterday, 01:10 PM
    I wanted to put these turbos to a boost test, here is a 29-30 psi across the board pull, I popped a small boost reference hose to the gauge first pull, which tees to AEM map sensor so it shows lower boost after the shift, but its only because the map wasn't seeing full boost as the hose to the gauge popped off. If anyone had any questions on can stage 2+ hold a LOT of boost to redline, they can, and they can do it pretty easily. You take a BP hit as you see its at around 66psi, just slightly over 2:1. Timing for this boost level is pretty damn solid too, holds 10 degrees to redline, after the shift holds 8-9 all the way up. I will take this all day as well. I fixed the hose and you can see on the next run its showing 30 psi in 4th as well as it was getting the full boost signal. Notice how manageable EGT's are even at these boost, and timing levels, the car is pretty happy here. These can actually hold more boost if I want, but 28 tapering to 25 psi seems to be a good curve for BP, turbo longevity, etc, and where I will prob run them daily. Please keep in mind, the less boost you can run to get to your power goals, the longer your turbos will last. http://www.datazap.me/u/vargasturbot...3-256&mark=202
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    10-13-2014, 02:35 AM
    Congratulations to the crew at Maximum PSI who finally accomplished a goal that has been a long time coming. Their turbo E36 shop car broke into the 8 second range in the 1/4 mile with a blistering 8.941 @ 164.33 miles per hour pass making their car officially the quickest and fastest street BMW in the United States. This is technically a street BMW although it is prepped for the strip as the parachute will tell you. Still, it does use the factory DME and that factory computer is tuned by Nick G of Tehnique Tuning. The engine was recently rebuilt and Maximum PSI posted a dyno just over the 1000 whp range although they did not state how much power and torque they were making for the record run. Additionally, the full engine build specs would be nice to have. Some sandbagging here? Probably, and BimmerBoost does not blame them. Regarding the specs for the run they used FTW Orange fuel and roughly 36 psi of boost. 16 inch slicks helped put the power down. Congratulations again to Maximum PSI for breaking a longstanding barrier in the US BMW tuning scene.
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    10-13-2014, 10:32 AM
    The Panamera is a love it or hate it design. It certainly is not the most photogenic at certain angles but todays designs with some of their proportions and angles simply need to be seen in person. Porsche CEO Matthias Mueller thinks Porsche needs to do better regarding the Panamera design. When asked about the Panamera in Paris Mueller stated, "There have been some small mistakes and we will do it better. For example the design could be better." The next generation Panamera will definitely depart from the styling of the current car and become more sleek. That said, is the Panamera ugly? Source
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  • BuraQ's Avatar
    10-16-2014, 12:55 AM
    First I would like to say, thanks Wedge for hooking me up ;) it was truly appreciated @Josh@Cobb thank you sir for your support @dzenno@PTF your blogs, posts, and suggestions from the olds days, before your became PTF and current were a values and you had, and still have a follower that learn much from ya @enrita thanks for starting this thread, and thanks to everyone who contributed. http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthread.php?25074-HOWTO-COBB-ATR-discussions-maps This was just a scrimage to go out and see what the car was capable of doing in a 1/4 mile run. I was not aiming for ET here, but aiming for speed traps instead. There was just too much torque for street tires on this tune, and I found myself feathering the car half way through 3rd gear. The backend would not stop moving around so I could not give it 100% throttle more till it settled in 4th. Indeed I will make adjustments for this next time. Ill have to designate this map for road kills instead I screwed up big time when I added too much race gas to compensate for the trouble my LPFP was having with anything above E30 at this power level (FUEL-IT STEVE HELP ! :angry-banghead: ) . In the end I had like E20 after adding the race gas :( . However I noticed using race gas my IAT got high quick as apposed to using E50-E60 my IAT never saw anything above 150 when pegging the needle. My IAT was climbing to 160f at the end of the track :facepalm wtf. So that was just a waste, I should of just maxed out my trims for the hell of it so my timing wouldnt have been pulled(no my AFRs stay put even if trims max out). I was targeting 13 timing in the top and lost a good amount of power when timing corrections started Yet again the South Florida weather and humidity is absolutely no joke, its like always being in a sauna. Keep in mind my car is "not cattles" I have the cP-e downpipes with HighFlow 200 cell catts, and OEM mid catts, I weigh 250 lbs and I had just over a half a tank of gas, no meth, full street trim, and no weight reduction. There will be another 335is that will be running the same tune with cattless downpipes, upgraded LPFP, and the driver weighing significanly less than myself, better DA and weather. Full Mod List of my car - 2011 DCT 335is : COBB ATR Selftune (BQ Tuning) for E50-E60 aFe Stage 2 Elite CAI (Custom vacuum sealed) cP-e downpipes with 200 cell HighGlow Catts Dinan FMIC Dinan Free Flow Axles Back Exhaust After upgrading my LPFP some E50-E60 and cooler weather Im looking for 122 unless the other 335is that has the same tune beats me to it :) and he's got DRs also Here is a log of the run to the timeslip, so critize away...dyno coming soon http://datazap.me/u/buraq/alpha-renegade?log=0&data=2-5-13
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    10-13-2014, 02:41 PM
    Well, here is another tuned AMG M157 beating up on an Italian exotic. This time though instead of the Aventadors we have seen it is a Ferrari 458 Italia. The Itala is lighter than the Aventador and the E63 and is a rear wheel drive car with a dual clutch transmission. However, as it is stock it definitely lacks the raw grunt of the E63. To put the power disparity into perspective here a stock 458 Italia will dyno roughly in the 450 wheel horsepower range. A tuned rear wheel drive AMG M157 on the other hand can get well over 600 wheel horsepower with supporting mods. And supporting mods this E63 AMG has with downpipes, a full exhaust, and intake modifications. The 458 does surprisingly well considering the large power disparity and it is important to point out the E63 has three people in it (and someone will question whether anyone should be racing with a child) but considering the 1000 pound disparity between the cars to begin with passengers will not have a huge impact here for the E63. Regardless, a good run from both cars and yet another AMG beating up on an Italian.
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  • BMtroubleYOU's Avatar
    10-16-2014, 11:36 PM
    Gentlemen, After all these deployments and First Sergeant duties, I finally got to finish my project. For those that are in the M3 Forum, and followed my build seeing my M3 being build from the beginning, Well finally, here it is. The dyno sheet is also attached. I was at the Cars & Coffee meet in Austin this past Sunday with a group of BMW enthusiasts from the Killeen TX area. the link below to the M3 forum has all the info on what I have done. http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=489617 VAC Lower engine build 11:1 CR stage 1 VAC head Vortech V3 Si trim 14 PSI Bimmerworld 3.5 Y pipe (half way to 3") headers wrapped all the way to the 3" reducer (halfway of car) 3" resonator and El Diablo Exhaust AEM Water methanol controller, Labonte Motorsports Nozzles, Devils own 300 PSI pump 50/50 W/M, 7 nozzles, 1 precharger and 6 to the individual throttle boddies 3 seven inch fans, 1 to custom oil cooler and 2 behind the Frozen boost dual pass intercooler. wrapped all hoses with heat reflector tape , then header wrap. AEM in tank Fuel pump. inline Walbro 255 w/ Aeromotive FPR. current @ 4 bar. much more.....
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  • newb335guy's Avatar
    10-13-2014, 10:37 AM
    newb335guy started a thread What a Joke! in N54
    :laughing-rofl:Well sir, we are actually going with Terry on his sponsors list. Feel free to join us, we know you wont do that. You just hide on the internet typing from your cubicle like you know anything about cars or performance. Let me know if you will be at shift sector so I can come say hello and see exactly what kind of trash you have to talk in person. You know what I have found, the biggest internet trash talkers, act like they are your buddies when they see you at an event. I guess you also cannot read, 11.6 at 125, that was on normal stage 2's Before the thread was closed. Tony so you are going to run a Vargas Turbo'd car? Any Vargas turbo car at all? If so I may fly all the way from the East coast to see this it will be like seeing a Unicorn or a Mermaid stuff you only hear about but never see. They could play the song from the Disney cartoon dumbo where the crows are singing about seeing an elephant fly but it will be about seeing a Vargas Turbo car run.
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  • rawad1017's Avatar
    10-14-2014, 12:04 PM
    he said all he has is an exhaust and intake..i can't tell if he's lying or not. stock c5s make 350 but i walk away from full bolt on ls1s no problem. then again they do only way 32xx pounds but i couldn't tell if that was a z06 or not...idk is my car slow as fuck or is he lying? i did let off at the end when he jumped a little so idk how the race would've went if we kept going.
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  • quattr0's Avatar
    10-17-2014, 12:50 PM
    quattr0 started a thread F32,F33,F36,F82,F83: M4 delivery Texas style :-) in 4 Series and M4
    Spent almost 10 minutes to figure out how to shift to Reverse :angry-banghead: I'm still shock right now as this is my first M car :D
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  • -335i-'s Avatar
    10-13-2014, 07:30 PM
    I'm designing twin pump setup for my N54. This will be running with PWM booster, controlled by original fuel pump module. That should prevent the pressure oscillation compared to 2nd pump with relay control. Well, right now electronics are not the first priority. Basic PWM booster is really easy to build, but maybe there could be fail safe function if one of the pumps stop working, maybe external connector for the full power signal and 12v to 15V booster too. 2 x 450 Walbro's seems to produce way too much fuel for my needs (theoretically 60 litre tank depleted in 6 min @ PWM 100%)... and the size of the pumps does make the design a bit too packed. So, does anyone have any experience about Treadstone Performance TRE 340 pumps? The flow charts looks ok, claims to be E85 compatible and they're giving 3 years warranty for those? Google did find very little about the pumps. They look pretty much like Deatschwerks DW300... and what I've read, those DW's are not so reliable? Any info is appreciated. Some sketching single 450 vs double tre300...
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    10-13-2014, 02:30 PM
    Well, here is another tuned AMG M157 beating up on an Italian exotic. This time though instead of the Aventadors we have seen it is a Ferrari 458 Italia. The Itala is lighter than the Aventador and the E63 and is a rear wheel drive car with a dual clutch transmission. However, as it is stock it definitely lacks the raw grunt of the E63. To put the power disparity into perspective here a stock 458 Italia will dyno roughly in the 450 wheel horsepower range. A tuned rear wheel drive AMG M157 on the other hand can get well over 600 wheel horsepower with supporting mods. And supporting mods this E63 AMG has with downpipes, a full exhaust, and intake modifications. The 458 does surprisingly well considering the large power disparity and it is important to point out the E63 has three people in it (and someone will question whether anyone should be racing with a child) but considering the 1000 pound disparity between the cars to begin with passengers will not have a huge impact here for the E63. Regardless, a good run from both cars and yet another AMG beating up on an Italian.
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    10-13-2014, 01:44 AM
    These spyphotos have been circulating over the past few days and the story accompanying them is that Audi is testing a final hardcore R8 model. People are coming to this conclusion based on the aggressive aerodynamics on the car but that does not exactly confirm a new model. This could be any number of things including a track special, an option package, or simply a well disguised R8 with next generation running gear under the skin in preparation for the MKII. At this point, nobody knows. A hardcore final model would be a great send off considering how big of a letdown the LMX edition was.
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  • spxxx's Avatar
    10-18-2014, 03:21 PM
    I'm running a variant of the bms E85 flash modified for E60 with a 3D scalar with some help from Justin (v8bait) and wanted to know how much the 3D scalar helps for fueling efficiency I'm running the inline lpfp upgrade w/ stock cats (just had two new turbos installed under warranty) my trims seem fine and since I'm catted I was wondering if the 3D scalar is really helping me at all. Anyone dyno the same flash with and without a 3D scalar? I've been optimizing my flashes for 1/8 mile runs (only safe distance I have to test) as well as logging with the jb4. Haven't seen much difference between the 3D vs non-3D scalars settings. Also, who else is running aggressive backend E85 flashes with the stock cats? How much timing and what kind of afr targets?
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  • Kosta135i's Avatar
    10-15-2014, 11:59 AM
    Some logs i did with the Cobb OTS E30 map. Pump e85 and 93 mix. Please and Thankyou
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    10-14-2014, 01:41 PM
    The next generation Audi R8 will essentially mirror the Lamborghini Huracan. This should be no surprise to anyone as the current generation Audi R8 is essentially a reskinned Lamborghini Gallardo with the option of a V8 under the hood. However, the current generation R8 is available with a manual transmission although that is set to change. As the Huracan is not available with a manual the R8 based on it will not be either likely as a cost cutting move. Heinz Holleweger who is the managing director of Quattro GmbH stated, "There is almost no desire from our customers to have a manual gearbox. In the R8, the take-up of manual gearboxes is currently less than five per cent." We can not blame Audi for not including a manual if customers have not shown they want a manual. As far as what to expect for the new R8 Holleweger stated, "You can look at a Lamborghini and think of that." Source
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