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  • Sticky's Avatar
    12-01-2017, 07:42 PM
    Tuners have flashed F-Series BMW models for some time now but they would require physical access to the ECU. That means you would have to remove your engine management computer and get it to the tuner somehow. After they unlocked it, you could flash it. Well, no more. The F-Series is officially cracked with OBD-II tuning. This means you can expect hand held flashing systems to come to market shortly. BimmerBoost will be detailing some of these systems in a subsequent article. Several tuners have contacted this site already on this topic: Expect this to spread like wildfire. For those keeping score, the Infineon F-Series ECU's were first unlocked in December of 2014. It took three years to go from there to OBD-II port flashing.
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    11-16-2017, 06:56 PM
    This is what you can call a serious N54 build. @Ericbh77 is not messing around with his E92 335i. He is going for roughly 1000 horsepower and what is making that possible is the custom Fab Factory bottom mount twin scroll turbo manifold mated to a PTE 6870. The motor is obviously built and he is going with Schrick high lift cams: VAC built the motor and did some head work as well. He is planning on having @CKI@Motiv tune it and additional fuel is coming from a supplemental HPFP pump. Most high horsepower builds like this tend to be manual as the automatic will not hold the torque. Will this one? We'll see as it features upgrades although they have not been tested at this level. This is going to be a fun build to watch come together. Enjoy the pictures below.
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    12-01-2017, 07:36 PM
    Tuners have flashed F-Series BMW models for some time now but they would require physical access to the ECU. That means you would have to remove your engine management computer and get it to the tuner somehow. After they unlocked it, you could flash it. Well, no more. The F-Series is officially cracked with OBD-II tuning. This means you can expect hand held flashing systems to come to market shortly. BimmerBoost will be detailing some of these systems in a subsequent article. Several tuners have contacted this site already on this topic: Expect this to spread like wildfire. For those keeping score, the Infineon F-Series ECU's were first unlocked in December of 2014. It took three years to go from there to OBD-II port flashing.
    91 replies | 717 view(s)
  • Sticky's Avatar
    11-28-2017, 05:23 PM
    You know all about tuned Audi 4.0 TFSI V8's making monster power and torque in the C7 RS6 and C7 RS7 models. It is our duty at AudiBoost.com to never allow Audi to live down not bringing the C7 or C6 generation RS6 vehicles to the USA. Who in the world would hate an RS6 with 800 lb-ft of torque? Ok, 792 lb-ft according to this dyno but close enough. This is solely with the Stage I APR 4.0 TFSI V8 tune: An increase of over 220 lb-ft of torque will definitely help this wagon haul the family and luggage. On the bright side we have the RS7 with this same motor in the USA so all is not lost.
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    11-21-2017, 05:16 PM
    This E82 135i used to belong to BimmerBoost member @trickcruiser. He sold it but here are some final dyno pulls from his ride. This is a stock head and stock block N54. It is running a Precision 6466 single turbo with a VM N54 manifold. Going beyond this power and torque for a daily driven automatic N54 is asking for reliability concerns: The transmission was rebuilt by Level 10 but they have mixed reviews to say the least. Look to them more to refurbish an auto box than anything else on the platform. A solid 637 wheel horsepower and 533 lb-ft of torque in street trim on an E85 tune. The fuel system is a Fuel-It! Stage 3 with port injection and a BMS controller. It will be interesting to see if the new owner intends to push it much further.
    48 replies | 969 view(s)
  • trickcruiser's Avatar
    11-20-2017, 11:46 AM
    Well, I think this is the last video of the Evil 1 that i will be able to claim... Matt, the new owner, took her to a local (TX) dyno day on Saturday and she did well! First pull she actually blew the tires off on the rollers! Man card achievement unlocked! 637/533 at 26lbs the street map with the AC on (read mixed feedback on this robbing power or not). Next up is going to be all his project. With the Fuel Return from Fuel-It and support from BMS and EMP, I expect him to get 7-750whp out of it!!
    48 replies | 930 view(s)
  • Sticky's Avatar
    11-21-2017, 02:32 PM
    Gintani is still tuning the PorscheBoost.com project 991.2. This is a preliminary graph that gives you an idea of the difference the tune makes. Gintani believes they can add a little bit of power up top but as you can see this motor is a torque monster down low. Compared to GIAC's 91 octane tune Gintani does not ramp in the torque as hard down low but the peak comes at about 4200 rpm compared to 2950 giving a broader curve: The torque increase is 110 lb-ft over the baseline but for whatever reason the baseline is a bit lower than it was on other Mustang dynamometers while the peak horsepower is right on the money. The dyno was recently calibrated. Gintani is still tuning so take this as an early result but obviously there is a lot on tap from the stock 991.2 Carrera. Additionally, dyno results with cat bypass pipes from Soul Performance should come today and Gintani also plans to do a race gas tune which thus far nobody has done.
    53 replies | 693 view(s)
  • Sticky's Avatar
    12-01-2017, 06:21 PM
    You already know the N54 turbo upgrade market is crowded but in 2017 bottom mount options with Borg Warner EFR turbochargers became more prevalent. VL Performance is entering this niche and gauging market response. So what is special about their approach? They are packaging their manifold with the largest Borg Warner EFR turbocharger (9174) available. It has an external wastegate and although we only have one teaser pic to go by it certainly does look to be well packaged and designed with the room to work with. What does it cost? When will it hit the market? Will it hit the market? All valid questions we will hopefully get answers to.
    32 replies | 1975 view(s)
  • Sticky's Avatar
    12-06-2017, 04:00 PM
    Carwow got their hands on the new F90 M5 and did some GPS testing. First, keep in mind that these are not real dragstrip times. Secondly, keep in mind it is Carwow who for the life of them can not figure out what a trap speed is. They get a 0-60 time of 3.1 seconds and 11.1 seconds for the 1/4 mile. They say this is 'faster' than the Mercedes because they got an 11.2 out of it. It is quicker, not faster. Well, this is just overall poor testing. For one, the Mercedes was tested in different conditions. Two, no trap speeds. Also, since this is not done on a dragstrip we can not compare 60 foot times to see how the launch affected the elapsed time. Why are they not going to the hundredth on the times either? Overall since this is very early in the lifespan of the F90 M5 we are hungry for whatever metrics we can get. Is the F90 M5 quicker and faster than the Mercedes-AMG E63 S? Probably. They are likely so close that if you want to win you need to make sure you have a tune. In that respect, the AMG starts out ahead of the M5 just as it did last generation.
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    12-02-2017, 11:02 PM
    As you likely know the big news this week was that OBD-II port ECU flashing is now possible with BMW F-Series models. This is big as owners no longer have to remove their ECU's to send in to tuner for manual unlocking which opens up major possibilities. Let's start with models are supported by the @MAGICMOTORSPORT system and the basic requirements: Supported vehicle models: BMW: F01, F02, F06, F07, F10, F11, F15, F16, F18, F25, F26, F30, F31, F32, F34, F36, F80, F85, F86 Mini: F55, F56, F57 Supported engine models: BMW: N13, N20, B47, N47, N55, S55, N57, N63TU, S63TU (excludes only: B48 and B58) Minimum requirements: PC requirements: MCU: Dual Core i3 RAM: 4GB OS: MS Windows 7,8 or 10 x32/x64 Ports: 1 x USB2.0 port, 1 x RJ45 Ethernet port Network: mandatory internet connection (the IP address of the PC must be assigned by the DHCP server) Vehicle requirements: Battery recharger required min. 50A Most F-Series engines are supported except for the new B38, B48, and B58 motors. That is a long list of models and motors so why are we putting this post in the S55 section? Because BimmerBoost knows of a tuner who will be using the Magic Motorsport handheld flasher to tune an F82 M4. We intend to bring you those results as soon as write mode is enabled after December 24th. Think of it this way, once the tuner complete their tune in theory they could send you that tune and you could flash your own M4 right at home. Now you see just how big of a deal this is. How much is the system? European pricing is 1900 Euros: https://www.magicmotorsport.com/shop/product/bmw-fxx-obd-flasher/ Expect US pricing from dealers soon. Keep in mind there are several features supported: The big one there is the CVN fix. What this does is it makes it impossible for the dealer to know your ECU was tuned. Very nice for those who want peace of mind with potential warranty issues. Expect more details as the flashing tools get out there later this month.
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    12-01-2017, 06:15 PM
    You already know the N54 turbo upgrade market is crowded but in 2017 bottom mount options with Borg Warner EFR turbochargers became more prevalent. VL Performance is entering this niche and gauging market response. So what is special about their approach? They are packaging their manifold with the largest Borg Warner EFR turbocharger (9174) available. It has an external wastegate and although we only have one teaser pic to go by it certainly does look to be well packaged and designed with the room to work with. What does it cost? When will it hit the market? Will it hit the market? All valid questions we will hopefully get answers to.
    32 replies | 892 view(s)
  • Sticky's Avatar
    12-06-2017, 03:54 PM
    Carwow got their hands on the new F90 M5 and did some GPS testing. First, keep in mind that these are not real dragstrip times. Secondly, keep in mind it is Carwow who for the life of them can not figure out what a trap speed is. They get a 0-60 time of 3.1 seconds and 11.1 seconds for the 1/4 mile. They say this is 'faster' than the Mercedes because they got an 11.2 out of it. It is quicker, not faster. Well, this is just overall poor testing. For one, the Mercedes was tested in different conditions. Two, no trap speeds. Also, since this is not done on a dragstrip we can not compare 60 foot times to see how the launch affected the elapsed time. Why are they not going to the hundredth on the times either? Overall since this is very early in the lifespan of the F90 M5 we are hungry for whatever metrics we can get. Is the F90 M5 quicker and faster than the Mercedes-AMG E63 S? Probably. They are likely so close that if you want to win you need to make sure you have a tune. In that respect, the AMG starts out ahead of the M5 just as it did last generation.
    41 replies | 189 view(s)
  • Sticky's Avatar
    11-29-2017, 05:12 PM
    Congratulations are in order to @NJ-M4 for setting the new overall quickest and fastest Porsche 991.1 Turbo 1/4 mile record! He ended up breaking his own quickest record which was 9.70. He picked up quite a bit of trap speed though and his 147 trap is now the fastest recorded in the USA as well. The previous fastest pass was 9.71 @ 143.80 by @Markblackwell. Here is the mod list: Mods (chosen and installed by AIM Performance): ESMotor 71mm VTG Turbos ESMotor intercoolers AIM Lightweight Exhaust ESMotor headers IPD Plenum IPD Y pipe meth kit Lightweight Tecnocraft seats OZ Wheels Cobb tuned by @Emre@Esmotor There is a bit of weight stripped out as the carbon Technocraft seats are extremely light. EDIT: He further improved his quickest record to 9.59: Everything else is pretty much as it was with the ESMotor Turbochargers and tuning doing most of the work. What is impressive is this car is still on the stock motor as it approaches 150 traps. Also the stock transmission with the stock clutches. Yes, really. Congratulations again to @NJ-M4!
    36 replies | 697 view(s)
  • Sticky's Avatar
    12-02-2017, 10:51 PM
    As you likely know the big news this week was that OBD-II port ECU flashing is now possible with BMW F-Series models. This is big as owners no longer have to remove their ECU's to send in to tuner for manual unlocking which opens up major possibilities. Let's start with models are supported by the @MAGICMOTORSPORT system and the basic requirements: Supported vehicle models: BMW: F01, F02, F06, F07, F10, F11, F15, F16, F18, F25, F26, F30, F31, F32, F34, F36, F80, F85, F86 Mini: F55, F56, F57 Supported engine models: BMW: N13, N20, B47, N47, N55, S55, N57, N63TU, S63TU (excludes only: B48 and B58) Minimum requirements: PC requirements: MCU: Dual Core i3 RAM: 4GB OS: MS Windows 7,8 or 10 x32/x64 Ports: 1 x USB2.0 port, 1 x RJ45 Ethernet port Network: mandatory internet connection (the IP address of the PC must be assigned by the DHCP server) Vehicle requirements: Battery recharger required min. 50A Most F-Series engines are supported except for the new B38, B48, and B58 motors. That is a long list of models and motors so why are we putting this post in the S55 section? Because BimmerBoost knows of a tuner who will be using the Magic Motorsport handheld flasher to tune an F82 M4. We intend to bring you those results as soon as write mode is enabled after December 24th. Think of it this way, once the tuner complete their tune in theory they could send you that tune and you could flash your own M4 right at home. Now you see just how big of a deal this is. How much is the system? European pricing is 1900 Euros: https://www.magicmotorsport.com/shop/product/bmw-fxx-obd-flasher/ Expect US pricing from dealers soon. Keep in mind there are several features supported: The big one there is the CVN fix. What this does is it makes it impossible for the dealer to know your ECU was tuned. Very nice for those who want peace of mind with potential warranty issues. Expect more details as the flashing tools get out there later this month.
    32 replies | 391 view(s)
  • Sticky's Avatar
    11-16-2017, 02:22 PM
    The new 2019 Corvette ZR1 LT5 motor illustrates the point well that direct fuel injection on its own is not the best choice for a performance car. You will notice an increasing trend of high performance cars coming to the market with dual fuel injection. That means both direct and port fuel injection systems. Why both? Because direct injection quickly becomes a liability. The technology spread due to efficiency benefits not because it was better for performance. Want to disagree? Tell it to McLaren who for some reason opted not to equip the McLaren 720S M840T V8 which is absolutely vaporizing all challengers with direct fuel injection. The issue is not only do you need strong pumps capable of huge pressure the injection window shortens with RPM. That makes it a challenge to provide enough fuel at higher rpm ranges. This is exacerbated as power as added. Let's assume for a moment you buy a Ferrari 458 which has a direct injected motor that revs to 9k rpm. You might be saying, what is the problem? Well, try running ethanol through the motor. As ethanol contains less energy than gasoline while at the same time offering higher octane and cooling benefits you need to flow more of it through your fuel system. The direct injection system quickly taps out. It only gets worse if you add power. Port fuel injection does not have the same injection window or pressure issues. This is probably why McLaren does not use it on its 8000-8500 rpm motors. This is probably why Ford does not use it on the 8200 rpm GT350 Voodoo V8. This is probably why BMW M did not equip the S65 V8 or S85 V10 8250+ rpm screamers with direct injection. Manufacturers building performance engines today with direct injection are increasingly offering dual injection systems with port fuel injection. Why? To alleviate stress on the direct injection system and offer fueling headroom say with modern ethanol blends. It also reduces carbon deposits. There are pluses and minuses to both approaches. Direct injection allows motors to run at higher compression before detonation on pump fuels. This obviously provides a power and efficiency benefit. The cooling effect of direct injection is due to fuel droplets going through a phase change from liquid to gas and becoming an ignitable vapor that can be mixed with air and detonated by the spark plug. Heat is absorbed during this change providing a cooling effect which will allow a direct injection motor to run leaner. Again, this provides an efficiency benefit when it comes to fuel use. Port injection allows air flowing through the intake manifold to cool before reaching the combustion chamber while direct injection provides its cooling benefit in the chamber itself. Port injection also does not require the high injection pressure and it does not have the limited injection window which means it is easier to flow far more fuel. You can see how combining these two technologies provides the benefits of both and minimizes the downsides. Just look at the performance motors that recently entered the market with dual fuel systems: Chevrolet LT5 Audi 2.5 TFSI Audi/Lamborghini 5.2 V10 Bentley W12 Ford 3.5 Ecoboost There are other motors with dual injection not listed there but you get the idea and more are on the way. It is interesting to note that many enthusiasts on the various BoostAddict sites with direct injected motors who add power look into adding supplemental port injection systems. It is ironic that getting away from port injection quickly leads them right back to port injection once they start to add power and run ethanol. Factory dual-injection tends to provide the best of both worlds.
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    11-30-2017, 07:50 PM
    Gintani continues to tune the PorscheBoost.com Project 991.2 911 Carrera and now has the car over 440 wheel horsepower on their Mustang dyno. Compare the race gas figures you see in the graph below to the preliminary 91 octane pump gas tune only numbers. The car has Soul Performance cat bypass pipes on it now but a dyno overlay of just the pipes will come in a subsequent article. For now they are still working on the race gas tune and they got the car over 450 whp but are still tweaking various aspects. You will notice a bit of torque was lost down low but this is a trade off for top end gains. Essentially, we are at another 22 wheel horsepower. There is also a nice mid-range gain from 4750 rpm to 6000 rpm. Past 6500 rpm the turbochargers just run out of steam. 991.2 Carrera S turbos might provide another 20 whp or so but 991.2 GTS turbos would really give a nice bump up top. It looks like it is time for a turbo upgrade. For context, 440 wheel horsepower on a Mustang dyno is roughly stock Porsche 991.1 Turbo S power:
    31 replies | 362 view(s)
  • Deebo's Avatar
    12-03-2017, 10:24 AM
    Deebo started a thread MMP Stage 3 Reliability in N54
    Hi guys, these have been out for a while now and it looks like they're just releasing their new cast option shortly, looks very nice. Claims 850whp for $3500 and no core charge, but the normal stage 3 option would probably work just as well for me. I'm between these and Pure Stage 2 in the next few months, my car is a 6AT so either setup will easily max what the trans can hold, but more headroom could be nice for future trans upgrades or more power on 91oct when I don't have time to grab E85. Can anybody chime in on their experience so far with either? I know MMP offers a 2 year warranty when you opt for their WPC treated bearings but that still doesn't solve downtime and install/uninstall costs if they go out.
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  • 135idct's Avatar
    11-29-2017, 03:53 AM
    Months ago flashed my 335i EWG by Bootmod3, im running big turbo EFR8374 flashed ots stg2 map, after flash the spool is better and the car is smooth from D, normal drive, the big problem is the boost control, im running the factoy EWG so it should control the boost like the OEM turbo. ** Before flash i run only jb4 and the boost control is perfect same stock turbo, the boost on target perfect. about month or two try to fix the problem, still the same. now im running only jb4 and everything is perfect, only the AFR is high if i want to run high boost 25+, Now im happy with only jb4 at 20psi, no problems just normal tuner codes. check the pics and the log, to see how the JB4 is perfect controlling the boost. * Some of my friends faced the same problem about boost control, not just the N55 even the M5. The problem is they told me my setup need a custom tune, ok i know, but fix the boost control problem first! *How to upload logs? Anyone face the boost control problem with BM3 flash + jb4, share please.
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  • Torgus's Avatar
    11-30-2017, 02:10 PM
    Torgus started a thread A few ST Questions in N54
    1) Looking at the Doc Race or ACF kit. If anyone can convince me one over the other go for it. At this time I am leaning towards the Doc Race w/ free ceramic coating. They are also going to send out the turbo for the T51R mod for me. Both kits look great mind you. I do like the braided lines on the ACF kit. 2) What size turbo? I have basically no E85 access. I run 93 and charge pipe meth injection currently(aquamist). I'll be adding direct port meth plate shortly. I was thinking of a 6466 Gen 2. What A/R would you recommend? 3) Are the ADV 02 Sensors still the way to go? 4) Will my Helix IC really turn into a restriction or an issue as I'll be pumping so much meth cooling down the AIT? 5) Should I relocate my windshield washer filler tube? I'm planning on wrapping the DP even though it will be ceramic coated. Do I really have to coat my engine bay in ugly ass gold tin foil? I talked to some and they said just wrap the DP and use a turbo blanket. 6) Anything else to do while I am in there? My plan was to do the water pump at the same time as I am at 80k on factory. Might do the acc belts while I am in there as well. Thanks in advance.
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    11-21-2017, 01:53 PM
    Sticky started a thread N54 summed up in N54
    Anyone disagree?
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  • arko1993's Avatar
    11-27-2017, 05:18 PM
    tried searching the forum but no luck. wanted to see what people are running or what the max torque the automatic transmission can hold with a xhp stage 3 flash since ive read those help a lot nowadays. planning going single turbo next year and wanted to see what the auto guys are running power levels on auto trans.
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    11-17-2017, 11:01 AM
    Well, holy crap! 8's out of the box? A 250 mph top speed? That is not all. The new Tesla roadster is said to hit 60 in 1.9 seconds and it will hit 100 miles per hour in 4.2 seconds. Those numbers are so mind numbingly fast please excuse us for being skeptical. When will it hit the market? Apparently it is being positioned as a 2020 model year car. The battery capacity is said to be good for 630 miles. Three motors will supply over 7,000 lb-ft of torque. It will start at $200,000 which for the numbers Tesla is quoting is well worth the money. Hell, it's worth double. It is going to be very hard to argue against the new Tesla Roadster if it delivers as advertised. The only downside will likely be the heft.
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    11-17-2017, 10:53 AM
    Well, holy crap! 8's out of the box? A 250 mph top speed? That is not all. The new Tesla roadster is said to hit 60 in 1.9 seconds and it will hit 100 miles per hour in 4.2 seconds. Those numbers are so mind numbingly fast please excuse us for being skeptical. When will it hit the market? Apparently it is being positioned as a 2020 model year car. The battery capacity is said to be good for 630 miles. Three motors will supply over 7,000 lb-ft of torque. It will start at $200,000 which for the numbers Tesla is quoting is well worth the money. Hell, it's worth double. It is going to be very hard to argue against the new Tesla Roadster if it delivers as advertised. The only downside will likely be the heft.
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    11-28-2017, 09:32 PM
    There is a big difference between getting an OTS (off the shelf) and pro tune. The pro of course standing for professional. Why is there this difference? Because a pre-packaged or canned tune is designed to be one size fits all. It is also designed to be safe for different fuel qualities and cars around the globe. Do not get us wrong, PTF's (Pro Tuning Freaks) OTS Stage 2 S55 tune is solid. It will push an F80 M3 or F82 M4 into the 10's in the 1/4 mile. However, look at what a competent tuner (HCP) is able to extract with a custom pro tune over the OTS tune: A significant difference there, right? We are talking about 56 horsepower at the wheels. Keep in mind there will be less leeway. This tune is now custom tailored to that M4 and its fuel quality as well as other modifications. The truth is if you can afford it, getting a custom dyno tune is the best way to go. Think of it like having a tailored suit versus one size fits all.
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  • Sticky's Avatar
    11-17-2017, 01:53 PM
    The next generation BMW F80 M3 and G82 M4 models expected as 2020 model year cars will feature new engine architecture. Well, not exactly new as the S58B38 powerplant will be a tweaked version of the current B58 3.0 liter inline-6 motor we all know and love. A water injection system carries over from the F82 M4 GTS. BimmerBoost would expect enthusiasts to quickly supplement this system with methanol injection or a mix. The reason the B58 will become an S58 is because BMW no longer builds ground-up M motors. A cost cutting move but it is redundant at this point to keep bringing up BMW heavily cutting costs. On the bright side the B58 architecture is a departure from the N54/N55/S55 engine family and hopefully that means we will not see crank hub issues with the new M3 and M4 engine. BMW can not possibly get this wrong for two straight generations, right? As the M3 and M4 are going up in power all wheel drive is expected to be standard. BMW may indeed quote 493 horsepower but this will be closer to an output rating at the wheels than at the crank. If BimmerBoost were to guess, BMW will continue to increase the M3/M4 base model by 70 whp so 490 horsepower at the wheels is pretty much the right range. The problem here is that the car will gain weight. All wheel drive is not going to make the vehicle lighter. Another problem is it likely means the end of a dual clutch transmission. A manual does not look likely either. An automatic all wheel drive M3? Why not just buy an Audi? There is a rumor that there will be a hybrid system. If so, expect weight to balloon further. If not, thank goodness. BMW will likely save face by allowing software to put the vehicle in a rear wheel drive mode just as they do with the F90 M5. The new M3 and M4 models will no doubt kick ass on the dragstrip and easily put their power down off the line. In other words, they will be nothing like what they are supposed to be.
    17 replies | 1188 view(s)
  • FastHP 335's Avatar
    11-21-2017, 01:33 PM
    So I'm looking to get a intercooler,I want the Race intercooler ,it's between the Pheonix Race and Vrsf Race intercooler.From what I gathered so far is... Pheonix(BMS)Race Intercooler Pros Good price 499.00 3"in/out Hotside diverter Comes coated(painted)to help heat transfer VRSF Race Intercooler Next decent price 569.00 3"in/out Comes with 3" JPipe Has better tabs for radiator support So difference between the Intercoolers is minor but can make a difference.the Pheonix has the hotside diverter while Vrsf doesn't,but the vrsf has 3" JPipe while the Phoenix doesn't. Also the vrsf has better radiator tabs then the Pheonix Now as for the core I'm hearing it's the same as vrsf if not better from what I have gathered.Now the radiator support brings up a concern that the Pheonix has as oppose to the vrsf.im not sure which way to swing since it's close but the vrsf has been out for some time and the Phoenix is new to the market.not sure which way to go.looking for some help :think:
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